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If anyone else is facing the issue, here's how to deregister your number from iMessage: https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/ https://selfsolve.appl

If anyone else is facing the issue, here's how to deregister your number from iMessage: https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/ https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage/ Should be Job Done.

untog 7y ago
It isn’t, though. Group MMSes are notoriously fickle, and doing something like sending a video to the group without it appearing in potato quality feels all but impossible at times. iMessage simply is better for group messaging.
- Spivak 7y ago
  The fact that SMS group messages suck isn't something that Apple can really fix without an oob protocol which would basically be iMessage again.
  - untog 7y ago
    They could open up iMessage, which they originally said they were going to do, then stopped talking about it entirely. Even if they didn’t want to open it up they could make an iMessage Android app, like their Apple Music app.
    - Twisell 7y ago
      Feel free to thanks VirnetX about that... https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/10/17222380/apple-virtnetx-patent-troll-litigation-500-million-imessage-facetime-case https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/10/17222380/apple-virtnetx-p... It tough to blame Apple for not open-sourcing a protocol they are sued about by a patent troll. Until resolved properly this would be a toxic code-base anyway. Of course they could restart from scratch, but I guess they have no incentive to make efforts about that. What will be meaningful however is be what they'll do after patent exhaustion date of infringed VirnetX "patents".
      - traeblain 7y ago
        Apple just finished closing down (pretty sure) all their stores in the East District of TX so all these suits can no longer be filed there. Might help conclude a bunch of these...or not...it's a ton of money we're talking about.
    - eyesee 7y ago
      When did Apple say they were going to open iMessage? I do recall Steve Jobs saying this about Facetime [1] during its announcement, and that a) it was a surprise to the team building it, and b) was abandoned when Apple was sued for patent infringement by patent troll VirnetX [2], causing them to change the protocol from peer-to-peer to server-based. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1xuzif/what_ever_happened_to_making_facetime_an_open/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1xuzif/what_ever_hap... [2]: https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/16/apple-faces-440-million-final-judgment-in-virnetx-lawsuit/ https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/16/apple-faces-440-million-...
    - george_perez 7y ago
      They were going to open FaceTime, not iMessage.
CoolGuySteve 7y ago
I deregistered my number and I still have messages that are delivered to my iPad instead of my android phone. If it wasn’t for that iPad next to my bed, I would have lost contact with some people entirely. What Apple’s doing should be fucking prosecuted by the FCC or FTC. It’s outrageous.
- Angostura 7y ago
  I suspect those messages mighty be using e-mail rather than phone number as the identifier.
  - CoolGuySteve 7y ago
    So what, if iMessage is the default SMS app and it sends to an unregistered iCloud account, it should either translate to SMS or give an error. The last thing it should do is silently send a message to an inactive account such that it looks like I ghosted the person.
    - pflats 7y ago
      The process deregisters the phone number from the account; it does not shut down the entire iCloud account or disable iMessage entirely. "iMessages" sent to your phone number will be translated to SMS. iMessages sent to your email address will still be delivered to the account associated with that email address. They can be accessed on pretty much any modern apple device associated with that account. It's rare that people intentionally iMessage an email address, but the interface is opaque enough that it's essentially impossible on an existing text chain to tell that you did (unless you're specifically looking for that information). The behavior as implemented makes sense provided that every user made an intentional and informed choice when choosing to message a friend via phone number or email. That is, of course, not the case (and is not helped by Siri sometimes silently deciding to use a contact's email over their phone number).
    - amdavidson 7y ago
      It is not an unregistered account if it is being received on an iPad. Further, if you are not logged in with the account on at least one device, it will not show as delivered.

untog 7y ago

It isn’t, though. Group MMSes are notoriously fickle, and doing something like sending a video to the group without it appearing in potato quality feels all but impossible at times. iMessage simply is better for group messaging.

Spivak 7y ago
The fact that SMS group messages suck isn't something that Apple can really fix without an oob protocol which would basically be iMessage again.
- untog 7y ago
  They could open up iMessage, which they originally said they were going to do, then stopped talking about it entirely. Even if they didn’t want to open it up they could make an iMessage Android app, like their Apple Music app.
  - Twisell 7y ago
    Feel free to thanks VirnetX about that... https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/10/17222380/apple-virtnetx-patent-troll-litigation-500-million-imessage-facetime-case https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/10/17222380/apple-virtnetx-p... It tough to blame Apple for not open-sourcing a protocol they are sued about by a patent troll. Until resolved properly this would be a toxic code-base anyway. Of course they could restart from scratch, but I guess they have no incentive to make efforts about that. What will be meaningful however is be what they'll do after patent exhaustion date of infringed VirnetX "patents".
    - traeblain 7y ago
      Apple just finished closing down (pretty sure) all their stores in the East District of TX so all these suits can no longer be filed there. Might help conclude a bunch of these...or not...it's a ton of money we're talking about.
  - eyesee 7y ago
    When did Apple say they were going to open iMessage? I do recall Steve Jobs saying this about Facetime [1] during its announcement, and that a) it was a surprise to the team building it, and b) was abandoned when Apple was sued for patent infringement by patent troll VirnetX [2], causing them to change the protocol from peer-to-peer to server-based. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1xuzif/what_ever_happened_to_making_facetime_an_open/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1xuzif/what_ever_hap... [2]: https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/16/apple-faces-440-million-final-judgment-in-virnetx-lawsuit/ https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/16/apple-faces-440-million-...
  - george_perez 7y ago
    They were going to open FaceTime, not iMessage.

CoolGuySteve 7y ago

I deregistered my number and I still have messages that are delivered to my iPad instead of my android phone. If it wasn’t for that iPad next to my bed, I would have lost contact with some people entirely. What Apple’s doing should be fucking prosecuted by the FCC or FTC. It’s outrageous.

Angostura 7y ago
I suspect those messages mighty be using e-mail rather than phone number as the identifier.
- CoolGuySteve 7y ago
  So what, if iMessage is the default SMS app and it sends to an unregistered iCloud account, it should either translate to SMS or give an error. The last thing it should do is silently send a message to an inactive account such that it looks like I ghosted the person.
  - pflats 7y ago
    The process deregisters the phone number from the account; it does not shut down the entire iCloud account or disable iMessage entirely. "iMessages" sent to your phone number will be translated to SMS. iMessages sent to your email address will still be delivered to the account associated with that email address. They can be accessed on pretty much any modern apple device associated with that account. It's rare that people intentionally iMessage an email address, but the interface is opaque enough that it's essentially impossible on an existing text chain to tell that you did (unless you're specifically looking for that information). The behavior as implemented makes sense provided that every user made an intentional and informed choice when choosing to message a friend via phone number or email. That is, of course, not the case (and is not helped by Siri sometimes silently deciding to use a contact's email over their phone number).
  - amdavidson 7y ago
    It is not an unregistered account if it is being received on an iPad. Further, if you are not logged in with the account on at least one device, it will not show as delivered.