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Imagine a big city/country with only 2 stores, half of the population uses store A and half store B. Store A and B are happy with the profits and are not compet

Imagine a big city/country with only 2 stores, half of the population uses store A and half store B. Store A and B are happy with the profits and are not competing on the margins, both will take 30% of your products, both will ban your product if they judge they don't like it, maybe store A will block you if you compete with them and store B will block you because some algorithm. So basically you have 2 big pile of shit and you are forced to chose witch one stinks less or looks less disgusting. Also if you think at the clients of store A and B this fake competition costs them more so the only people that benefit are the store owners, free market should always push for competition and consumer good not for making more oney then a nation. If all this crap is legal then laws need to be changed and this would include limitations for Wallmart or physical stores too.

scarface74 7y ago
I hope you’re not implying the old wives tale about Apple nit allowing apps that compete with it on the store. If so, there are plenty of existence proofs that that isn’t true.
- logfromblammo 7y ago
  What applications in the Apple store are able to function as the default SMS app or the default web browser engine? On Android, I can use Signal for SMS and Firefox for browser engine. On my spouse's iPhone, the iOS applications with the same names are severely restricted in their functionality. Blocking ads, scripts, and tracking is significantly more difficult. If you believe these are core OS functions, and therefore not subject to competition, Microsoft has a old story to tell you about Internet Explorer web browser and Windows 95 OS.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Are they allowed to be default no. Are they allowed on the App Store - yes.
    - rickdeckard 7y ago
      Neither of those are actually available, because iOS browsers are not allowed to use other browser-engines than Safari and apps have no means to manage SMS on behalf of the iOS messaging app.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        Allowing third parties to intercept your SMS messages has been a security nightmare for Android. But yes you can install a third party app like Google Voice with its own phone number and send text messages through it. You would really trust any third party to intercept your sms messages? On top of that, the third party dialer integrates with the native dialer and call history.
        simion314 7y ago
        >You would really trust any third party to intercept your sms messages? Not OP but I trust Thunderbird on my PC to access my emails so why I could not also trust a Mozilla or other trustworthy company to access my messages on my phone where in my case the SMS is used by companies to send me notifications about billing , I am the type of person that will call someone(people in my group don't send SMS)
        scarface74 7y ago
        So Apple should allow random third parties to intercept SMS messages because “people in your group” don’t use SMS?
        simion314 7y ago
        Apple should let me decide or maybe review Thunderbird and Firefox and allow them. I am wondering how can you bring this argument and at the same time you install random apps on your computer that are not made or restricted by Apple.
- simion314 7y ago
  I mean browsers, then there was an app that did some phone activity tracking and all was fine until iOS had it's own app and for some reason the old app was kicked out from the store. Then there are the cases where Apple apps have special access to APIs but a popular application like Spotify was denied access. Can you link to the case you are mentioning?
  - scarface74 7y ago
    The app that did “phone activity tracking” used an MDM and tracked all of your activity and stored it. This was a severe privacy concern. Spotify - was complaining that there was no facility to integrate with Siri - Apple added intents in iOS 13. Spotify also complained that they couldn’t do music streaming on watchOS - that was also added in the latest version of watchOS.
    - simion314 7y ago
      For the first case Apple knew about the tracking and said nothing until they had their own app - so we can defend Apple that protects the users privacy only if it benefits them. Spotify got access months alter after complaints to the EU were made so I am not convinced that Apple is still give equal opportunities to all developers especially when better browser engines exist and you can't use them.
      - scarface74 7y ago
        You really think that it only took “months” for Apple to create the Siri Intent for third party audio? Apple had been opening up Siri for years by adding new intents. Apple has a long history of developing functionality and using it internally before releasing them publicly. The alternative is releasing a half baked API that it has to support forever. It’s a lot easier to change an API that is only used internally than it is to change an API which people depend on. Yes, Apple produced a better solution than allowing random third parties the ability to record everything you do on your phone. Would you prefer that they never increase privacy and security?

scarface74 7y ago

I hope you’re not implying the old wives tale about Apple nit allowing apps that compete with it on the store. If so, there are plenty of existence proofs that that isn’t true.

logfromblammo 7y ago
What applications in the Apple store are able to function as the default SMS app or the default web browser engine? On Android, I can use Signal for SMS and Firefox for browser engine. On my spouse's iPhone, the iOS applications with the same names are severely restricted in their functionality. Blocking ads, scripts, and tracking is significantly more difficult. If you believe these are core OS functions, and therefore not subject to competition, Microsoft has a old story to tell you about Internet Explorer web browser and Windows 95 OS.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Are they allowed to be default no. Are they allowed on the App Store - yes.
  - rickdeckard 7y ago
    Neither of those are actually available, because iOS browsers are not allowed to use other browser-engines than Safari and apps have no means to manage SMS on behalf of the iOS messaging app.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      Allowing third parties to intercept your SMS messages has been a security nightmare for Android. But yes you can install a third party app like Google Voice with its own phone number and send text messages through it. You would really trust any third party to intercept your sms messages? On top of that, the third party dialer integrates with the native dialer and call history.
      - simion314 7y ago
        >You would really trust any third party to intercept your sms messages? Not OP but I trust Thunderbird on my PC to access my emails so why I could not also trust a Mozilla or other trustworthy company to access my messages on my phone where in my case the SMS is used by companies to send me notifications about billing , I am the type of person that will call someone(people in my group don't send SMS)
        scarface74 7y ago
        So Apple should allow random third parties to intercept SMS messages because “people in your group” don’t use SMS?
        simion314 7y ago
        Apple should let me decide or maybe review Thunderbird and Firefox and allow them. I am wondering how can you bring this argument and at the same time you install random apps on your computer that are not made or restricted by Apple.
simion314 7y ago
I mean browsers, then there was an app that did some phone activity tracking and all was fine until iOS had it's own app and for some reason the old app was kicked out from the store. Then there are the cases where Apple apps have special access to APIs but a popular application like Spotify was denied access. Can you link to the case you are mentioning?
- scarface74 7y ago
  The app that did “phone activity tracking” used an MDM and tracked all of your activity and stored it. This was a severe privacy concern. Spotify - was complaining that there was no facility to integrate with Siri - Apple added intents in iOS 13. Spotify also complained that they couldn’t do music streaming on watchOS - that was also added in the latest version of watchOS.
  - simion314 7y ago
    For the first case Apple knew about the tracking and said nothing until they had their own app - so we can defend Apple that protects the users privacy only if it benefits them. Spotify got access months alter after complaints to the EU were made so I am not convinced that Apple is still give equal opportunities to all developers especially when better browser engines exist and you can't use them.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      You really think that it only took “months” for Apple to create the Siri Intent for third party audio? Apple had been opening up Siri for years by adding new intents. Apple has a long history of developing functionality and using it internally before releasing them publicly. The alternative is releasing a half baked API that it has to support forever. It’s a lot easier to change an API that is only used internally than it is to change an API which people depend on. Yes, Apple produced a better solution than allowing random third parties the ability to record everything you do on your phone. Would you prefer that they never increase privacy and security?