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> those who want and can afford to move to X, but are prevented because of a non-reciprocal policy by X. It's easy to have open borders if hardly anyone takes

by deogeo 7y ago

> those who want and can afford to move to X, but are prevented because of a non-reciprocal policy by X. It's easy to have open borders if hardly anyone takes advantage of it, so looking at reciprocity isn't very relevant. Faced with rising immigration, non-Western countries tend to adopt restrictions as well (see NPR link on Brazil). Furthermore, China will only grant citizenship to ethnic Chinese, whereas the West takes in many Chinese immigrants, so in this case, the non-reciprocity is in the other direction. A quick search failed to turn up what restrictions other non-Western countries have, but there's no lack of border walls - a few random examples from every non-Western continent: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/india-installs-laser-walls-border-pakistan-n564051 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/india-installs-laser-wall... https://www.seeker.com/why-india-is-building-the-longest-border-wall-in-the-world-1501495427.html https://www.seeker.com/why-india-is-building-the-longest-bor... https://thediplomat.com/2019/01/will-pakistans-wall-work/ https://thediplomat.com/2019/01/will-pakistans-wall-work/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2016/11/13/chinas-building-a-wall-any-lessons-for-trump https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2016/11/13/chinas-b... https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/05/16/184524306/brazil-looks-to-build-a-10-000-mile-virtual-fence https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/05/16/184524306/... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/22/western-sahara-wall-morocco-trump https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/22/western-sahara...

eesmith 7y ago
"Faced with rising immigration, non-Western countries tend to adopt restrictions as well" Sure. The article itself mentions "Not all border walls are between the First World and the Rest of the World." and uses as examples the wall between India and Bangladesh (your #2 link) and Moracco's Berm (your #6), so clearly it wasn't making the point that the West was the only gated community. My point was to argue that your definition doesn't seem a reasonable as it doesn't really apply to actual gated communities, much less the metaphorical comparison used here. Other interpretations may be more valid, and demonstrate the incorrectness of "'The West' is, in fact, the world's biggest gated community", but I don't think yours does.

by deogeo 7y ago

eesmith 7y ago

"Faced with rising immigration, non-Western countries tend to adopt restrictions as well" Sure. The article itself mentions "Not all border walls are between the First World and the Rest of the World." and uses as examples the wall between India and Bangladesh (your #2 link) and Moracco's Berm (your #6), so clearly it wasn't making the point that the West was the only gated community. My point was to argue that your definition doesn't seem a reasonable as it doesn't really apply to actual gated communities, much less the metaphorical comparison used here. Other interpretations may be more valid, and demonstrate the incorrectness of "'The West' is, in fact, the world's biggest gated community", but I don't think yours does.