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How does his right to free speech require Mailchimp to participate in broadcasting it?

downerending 7y ago
It doesn't. But don't bother complaining when you get cancelled--we won't hear it.
core-questions 7y ago
It's easy to not see the forest for the trees on this one. When someone gets locked out of public discourse at every door (sometimes literally, as was the case when he was unable to speak for the UBC Free Speech Club some time ago due to threats of violence), what is to be done? Deplatforming is the visible evidence of what one might call the starts of _totalitarian neoliberalism_, since it's not actually reasonable to call this radical left or right wing behaviour. This is the elevation of corporations to be the arbiters of our rights because they've put themselves into niche or bottleneck positions where they can control the flow of information. I respect the service that a good mail provider does, but that doesn't mean they should be able to use their business as a gatekeeping mechanism to restrict public discourse - especially in the case where it's not going to anyone that doesn't want to see it. If you find yourself on the side that's arguing in favour of deplatforming and of removing people's right to free expression, you're literally on-side with exactly the sort of evil that every fine 20th century work of speculative fiction decried. Being okay with this is far worse than anything Molyneux says, but then, it's not like you'll actually have listened to any of that.
- iron0013 7y ago
  Has anyone prevented him from standing on a soapbox in the park? If not, then he still has a perfectly available avenue for his hate speech
  - core-questions 7y ago
    It's not hate speech. In Canada, there is actually a definition of hate speech, and it has to be something a reasonable person would consider to be an incitement to violence. Nothing he says would count as that. In America, there is actually no such thing as "hate speech" - free speech is absolute. So either way, there's no reason he should not be able to speak in a normal venue. We've found that standing on a soapbox in the park doesn't go so well either, as Antifa protests can cause violent conflict (virtually always started by the Antifa side). Ironic.

It doesn't. But don't bother complaining when you get cancelled--we won't hear it.

It's easy to not see the forest for the trees on this one. When someone gets locked out of public discourse at every door (sometimes literally, as was the case when he was unable to speak for the UBC Free Speech Club some time ago due to threats of violence), what is to be done? Deplatforming is the visible evidence of what one might call the starts of _totalitarian neoliberalism_, since it's not actually reasonable to call this radical left or right wing behaviour. This is the elevation of corporations to be the arbiters of our rights because they've put themselves into niche or bottleneck positions where they can control the flow of information. I respect the service that a good mail provider does, but that doesn't mean they should be able to use their business as a gatekeeping mechanism to restrict public discourse - especially in the case where it's not going to anyone that doesn't want to see it. If you find yourself on the side that's arguing in favour of deplatforming and of removing people's right to free expression, you're literally on-side with exactly the sort of evil that every fine 20th century work of speculative fiction decried. Being okay with this is far worse than anything Molyneux says, but then, it's not like you'll actually have listened to any of that.

iron0013 7y ago
Has anyone prevented him from standing on a soapbox in the park? If not, then he still has a perfectly available avenue for his hate speech
- core-questions 7y ago
  It's not hate speech. In Canada, there is actually a definition of hate speech, and it has to be something a reasonable person would consider to be an incitement to violence. Nothing he says would count as that. In America, there is actually no such thing as "hate speech" - free speech is absolute. So either way, there's no reason he should not be able to speak in a normal venue. We've found that standing on a soapbox in the park doesn't go so well either, as Antifa protests can cause violent conflict (virtually always started by the Antifa side). Ironic.