If you'd like to hear someone who disagrees with Goff discussing the idea, I'd highly recommend his podcast with Sean Carroll: https://www.preposterousuniverse

If you'd like to hear someone who disagrees with Goff discussing the idea, I'd highly recommend his podcast with Sean Carroll: https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2019/11/04/71-philip-goff-on-consciousness-everywhere/ https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2019/11/04/71-p... A somewhat similar discussion is here: https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2020/01/06/78-daniel-dennett-on-minds-patterns-and-the-scientific-image/ https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2020/01/06/78-d...