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I don't see this as subjective, because dealing with computers and technology is a fundamentally different type of activity, and requires a totally different se

I don't see this as subjective, because dealing with computers and technology is a fundamentally different type of activity, and requires a totally different set of skills, than dealing with people. If you're the type of person who enjoys the former, I think it's safe to say you won't enjoy the latter much, at least not at first.

mandelbrotwurst 7y ago
> dealing with computers and technology is a fundamentally different type of activity, and requires a totally different set of skills, than dealing with people. Sure. > If you're the type of person who enjoys the former, I think it's safe to say you won't enjoy the latter much This seems like a bit of a leap. People can be good at and enjoy things that are very different.
- vi-mode 7y ago
  Yes but the context here is coder transforms to manager. And coders got coders because they like short feedback-loops.
  - mettamage 7y ago
    Nope, I became a coder because I want to be able to create apps that I have in my head. I hated coding for the first 6 months (I'm on year 8 now). Now I like it, but I'm still not passionate about it. My passion is about digital creation. I think I'd like being a manager, depending on the context. Since I like to talk and listen to people their ideas and get energy from talking and listening. I don't get energy from coding. I do get energy from creating something awesome (either myself or with a team).
    - vi-mode 7y ago
      Nice that you told us the story why you got into coding. I just tried to find an abstraction for the sake of simplicity. Of course we had all our triggers why we got into coding. And of course we had some specific end goal like you had but the actual activity of coding is about short feedback loops. Something which many professions lack. If you didn't like short feedback-loops you wouldn't code for 8 years.
com2kid 7y ago
> If you're the type of person who enjoys the former, I think it's safe to say you won't enjoy the latter much, at least not at first. I disagree, I volunteered (edit: to step up and take on) for a manager role and discovered I loved it. I really enjoy helping built teams and team culture, helping people learn and grow in their career and abilities, and working to coordinate work across multiple teams to get work done at a scale that I never could have as an IC. Saying that people who enjoy coding don't like dealing with people is like saying people who enjoy painting won't like programming, it is a stereotype that is easily dis-proven by the existence of people who, in both cases, do enjoy both!
- vi-mode 7y ago
  Managing people != dealing with people This is the biggest misconception most have you have never led seriously. I like people, I like meeting people for a beer, for pair-programming, to date. Managing people is not about being with people.
  - com2kid 7y ago
    > This is the biggest misconception most have you have never led seriously. As a manager, I managed my team, and dealt with a lot of other teams! I was spending a good % of my time coordinating, organizing, and paving the way for my team to do good work. Ranging from ensuring the UI specs that got to them had been well vetted, to negotiating release schedules with other teams. This extends even to engineering decisions. As an example, there were ways my team could implement a feature that'd save us time, but be harder for an upstream team to integrate with, or we could take more time implementing something to their requests at a cost to our schedule. Balancing decisions like that is just as much talking to people in hallways between meetings as it is attending those meetings. It is forming relationships across an organization so that even when schedules get tight and times are tense, things don't get ugly.
    - vi-mode 7y ago
      Tbh, this sounds you like are heavily micromanaging your people because you don't have any task yourself. Did you ever got into 360 feedback? How was the outcome?

mandelbrotwurst 7y ago

> dealing with computers and technology is a fundamentally different type of activity, and requires a totally different set of skills, than dealing with people. Sure. > If you're the type of person who enjoys the former, I think it's safe to say you won't enjoy the latter much This seems like a bit of a leap. People can be good at and enjoy things that are very different.

vi-mode 7y ago
Yes but the context here is coder transforms to manager. And coders got coders because they like short feedback-loops.
- mettamage 7y ago
  Nope, I became a coder because I want to be able to create apps that I have in my head. I hated coding for the first 6 months (I'm on year 8 now). Now I like it, but I'm still not passionate about it. My passion is about digital creation. I think I'd like being a manager, depending on the context. Since I like to talk and listen to people their ideas and get energy from talking and listening. I don't get energy from coding. I do get energy from creating something awesome (either myself or with a team).
  - vi-mode 7y ago
    Nice that you told us the story why you got into coding. I just tried to find an abstraction for the sake of simplicity. Of course we had all our triggers why we got into coding. And of course we had some specific end goal like you had but the actual activity of coding is about short feedback loops. Something which many professions lack. If you didn't like short feedback-loops you wouldn't code for 8 years.

com2kid 7y ago

> If you're the type of person who enjoys the former, I think it's safe to say you won't enjoy the latter much, at least not at first. I disagree, I volunteered (edit: to step up and take on) for a manager role and discovered I loved it. I really enjoy helping built teams and team culture, helping people learn and grow in their career and abilities, and working to coordinate work across multiple teams to get work done at a scale that I never could have as an IC. Saying that people who enjoy coding don't like dealing with people is like saying people who enjoy painting won't like programming, it is a stereotype that is easily dis-proven by the existence of people who, in both cases, do enjoy both!

vi-mode 7y ago
Managing people != dealing with people This is the biggest misconception most have you have never led seriously. I like people, I like meeting people for a beer, for pair-programming, to date. Managing people is not about being with people.
- com2kid 7y ago
  > This is the biggest misconception most have you have never led seriously. As a manager, I managed my team, and dealt with a lot of other teams! I was spending a good % of my time coordinating, organizing, and paving the way for my team to do good work. Ranging from ensuring the UI specs that got to them had been well vetted, to negotiating release schedules with other teams. This extends even to engineering decisions. As an example, there were ways my team could implement a feature that'd save us time, but be harder for an upstream team to integrate with, or we could take more time implementing something to their requests at a cost to our schedule. Balancing decisions like that is just as much talking to people in hallways between meetings as it is attending those meetings. It is forming relationships across an organization so that even when schedules get tight and times are tense, things don't get ugly.
  - vi-mode 7y ago
    Tbh, this sounds you like are heavily micromanaging your people because you don't have any task yourself. Did you ever got into 360 feedback? How was the outcome?