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> the public probably has the right to know if a "family values" politician goes to a strip club Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? I am a fervent

> the public probably has the right to know if a "family values" politician goes to a strip club Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? I am a fervent supporter of recycling, should I expect a person to follow me around in public waiting for me to throw a soda can into the wrong bin? Because one SUPPORTS a specific policy, does not mean one has to LIVE their life by that policy.

SQueeeeeL 7y ago
For politicians, authenticity of belief is a big concern. If you are someone who geniuenly believes strip clubs are a moral evil, why do you deserve to be manipulated by a politician who doesn't actually care about the issue and is only trying to steal your vote
- jermaustin1 7y ago
  Why is it manipulation, if they say they are going to shut down strip clubs, and actively work towards it, why should I care if they WANT to shut them down, vs doing it because it is a campaign promise. Politicians actively working against their own interests to do what they feel is truly better the country should be held in high regard. You may agree with their policies or not, but you can't fault a person for enjoying something they are against. I smoked pot as a teenager, and enjoyed it, and fondly look back on those days getting high with my friends. Your view point would mean I couldn't actively be against teenagers smoking pot, and if I were a politician, I should not back anti-smoking legislation for teenagers.
  - vezycash 7y ago
    >Politicians actively working against their own interests to do what they feel is truly better the country should be held in high regard. Please mention one politician who works against their own interest. Cos I don't know any.
    - WBrad 7y ago
      Bernie Sanders is a millionaire who will absolutely raise his own tax rate for the good of the country.
      - usefulcat 7y ago
        Another way to interpret that is that he values getting elected to the presidency more than the cost of any tax hike he might sign into law as president.
        WBrad 7y ago
        He's been pretty consistent in those values for quite a long time before running for president. So I doubt that's why he holds those values specifically to become president.
  - SQueeeeeL 7y ago
    >I smoked pot as a teenager, and enjoyed it, and fondly look back on those days getting high with my friends. Your view point would mean I couldn't actively be against teenagers smoking pot, and if I were a politician, I should not back anti-smoking legislation for teenagers. I mean probably, you literally said you enjoyed it...
turk73 7y ago
Pretty sure you don't understand that pols have in-call services. What do you think Epstein existed for (other than blackmail)?
lalos 7y ago
A third party can blackmail a politician if they are hiding whatever they think is hurtful for their career. Not that I care about what they do on their personal time but transparency has its benefits.
- jermaustin1 7y ago
  This is only because politicians think people care about their personal lives instead of furthering the agenda they were elected for. Trump is a perfect example of this: Many evangelicals will look the other way when confronted with his personal life, because he is putting structures in place to further their agenda.
mschuster91 7y ago
> Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? Two reasons: 1) People in the spotlight (like politicians) are expected to behave as role models. Especially where moral values are concerned, one can reasonably demand that politicians live according to the same standard as they demand from the citizens. Otherwise, it rapidly devolves into "rules for thee but not for me", destroying trust in the fairness of democratic institutions. 2) In close conjunction with #1, behavior like cheating on one's wife or other (mostly sexual) deviance is either considered socially inacceptable or at least to be damaging to relationships. This creates leverage for bad actors, known as "Sexpionage" - the "kings" here of course are the Russian KGB/FSB who are at least rumored to have actual material of the current US president. Basically, the public should demand transparency and decent behavior from politicians and other state officials to make sure they are not subject to extortion attempts no matter by foreign states, criminal organizations or by legitimate mega-corporations. > Because one SUPPORTS a specific policy, does not mean one has to LIVE their life by that policy. The more radical you appear, the more scrutinized your behavior will be. No one's gonna bat an eye about the contents of your trashcan if you're just supporting a law mandating recycling... but if you are the major initiator of a law or lead public campaigns for recycling, prepare for being in the spotlight.
quotha 7y ago
That's called hypocracy
michaelt 7y ago
I've heard paparazzi justifying their actions with an argument that if you want newspapers to report you visited a school or factory or charity event - which politicians all do - you also consent to newspapers reporting you visited a strip club. Personally I don't find that 100% convincing - people like child celebrities and members of the royal family aren't given a choice - but nobody gets made state senator by accident!
bb88 7y ago
> Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? We grant elected officials with powers granted by law. And if they abuse those powers for financial gain, or say, enjoying the fruits of human traffickers, yeah, we as a public have a right to know. And granted I'm talking about illegal actions of a public figure here in public. If the politician is single and he frequents "upstanding" strip clubs if there is such a thing, and nobody cares, why should we?

SQueeeeeL 7y ago

For politicians, authenticity of belief is a big concern. If you are someone who geniuenly believes strip clubs are a moral evil, why do you deserve to be manipulated by a politician who doesn't actually care about the issue and is only trying to steal your vote

jermaustin1 7y ago
Why is it manipulation, if they say they are going to shut down strip clubs, and actively work towards it, why should I care if they WANT to shut them down, vs doing it because it is a campaign promise. Politicians actively working against their own interests to do what they feel is truly better the country should be held in high regard. You may agree with their policies or not, but you can't fault a person for enjoying something they are against. I smoked pot as a teenager, and enjoyed it, and fondly look back on those days getting high with my friends. Your view point would mean I couldn't actively be against teenagers smoking pot, and if I were a politician, I should not back anti-smoking legislation for teenagers.
- vezycash 7y ago
  >Politicians actively working against their own interests to do what they feel is truly better the country should be held in high regard. Please mention one politician who works against their own interest. Cos I don't know any.
  - WBrad 7y ago
    Bernie Sanders is a millionaire who will absolutely raise his own tax rate for the good of the country.
    - usefulcat 7y ago
      Another way to interpret that is that he values getting elected to the presidency more than the cost of any tax hike he might sign into law as president.
      - WBrad 7y ago
        He's been pretty consistent in those values for quite a long time before running for president. So I doubt that's why he holds those values specifically to become president.
- SQueeeeeL 7y ago
  >I smoked pot as a teenager, and enjoyed it, and fondly look back on those days getting high with my friends. Your view point would mean I couldn't actively be against teenagers smoking pot, and if I were a politician, I should not back anti-smoking legislation for teenagers. I mean probably, you literally said you enjoyed it...

turk73 7y ago

Pretty sure you don't understand that pols have in-call services. What do you think Epstein existed for (other than blackmail)?

lalos 7y ago

A third party can blackmail a politician if they are hiding whatever they think is hurtful for their career. Not that I care about what they do on their personal time but transparency has its benefits.

jermaustin1 7y ago
This is only because politicians think people care about their personal lives instead of furthering the agenda they were elected for. Trump is a perfect example of this: Many evangelicals will look the other way when confronted with his personal life, because he is putting structures in place to further their agenda.

mschuster91 7y ago

> Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? Two reasons: 1) People in the spotlight (like politicians) are expected to behave as role models. Especially where moral values are concerned, one can reasonably demand that politicians live according to the same standard as they demand from the citizens. Otherwise, it rapidly devolves into "rules for thee but not for me", destroying trust in the fairness of democratic institutions. 2) In close conjunction with #1, behavior like cheating on one's wife or other (mostly sexual) deviance is either considered socially inacceptable or at least to be damaging to relationships. This creates leverage for bad actors, known as "Sexpionage" - the "kings" here of course are the Russian KGB/FSB who are at least rumored to have actual material of the current US president. Basically, the public should demand transparency and decent behavior from politicians and other state officials to make sure they are not subject to extortion attempts no matter by foreign states, criminal organizations or by legitimate mega-corporations. > Because one SUPPORTS a specific policy, does not mean one has to LIVE their life by that policy. The more radical you appear, the more scrutinized your behavior will be. No one's gonna bat an eye about the contents of your trashcan if you're just supporting a law mandating recycling... but if you are the major initiator of a law or lead public campaigns for recycling, prepare for being in the spotlight.

quotha 7y ago

That's called hypocracy

michaelt 7y ago

I've heard paparazzi justifying their actions with an argument that if you want newspapers to report you visited a school or factory or charity event - which politicians all do - you also consent to newspapers reporting you visited a strip club. Personally I don't find that 100% convincing - people like child celebrities and members of the royal family aren't given a choice - but nobody gets made state senator by accident!

bb88 7y ago

> Why anymore so than if YOU go to a strip club? We grant elected officials with powers granted by law. And if they abuse those powers for financial gain, or say, enjoying the fruits of human traffickers, yeah, we as a public have a right to know. And granted I'm talking about illegal actions of a public figure here in public. If the politician is single and he frequents "upstanding" strip clubs if there is such a thing, and nobody cares, why should we?