> EDIT: I'm also surprised at the hostility towards distribution packagers. Instead of working with them to find mutually valid solutions, the express frustrati

> EDIT: I'm also surprised at the hostility towards distribution packagers. Instead of working with them to find mutually valid solutions, the express frustration at distributions and cripple themselves in not allowing third-party dependencies. These days, it's "cool" to hate your downstreams (y'know, bite the hands that feed you and all that). Seriously though, as one of those "distribution packagers" (Fedora, Mageia, OpenMandriva, and openSUSE!), it sucks that I encounter this more and more often. I try to be somewhat involved in the projects I package and contribute where I can, be it code, advice, or anything in between. Ten years ago, people were generally friendly to me. These days? It's rare to get a thank-you. Usually I get grumbles and anger for daring to ship it in a distro package. I've even had a couple of patches rejected that fix real bugs simply because they were discovered as part of my packaging and testing something because it doesn't happen on the dev's machine in his virtualenv on his Mac...