And: https://www.econtalk.org/adam-cifu-on-ending-medical-reversal/ https://www.econtalk.org/adam-cifu-on-ending-medical-reversa... https://www.econtalk.org/a

And: https://www.econtalk.org/adam-cifu-on-ending-medical-reversal/ https://www.econtalk.org/adam-cifu-on-ending-medical-reversa... https://www.econtalk.org/adam-cifu-on-the-case-for-being-a-medical-conservative/ https://www.econtalk.org/adam-cifu-on-the-case-for-being-a-m... Both with one of the authors of the linked paper, Adam Cifu.