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Gov does not pay for private colleges.

by matchbok 7y ago

notfromhere 7y ago
It indirectly does via loan guarantees
L-four 7y ago
Hahahaha good one.
- killjoywashere 7y ago
  Yeah, take a look at University Affiliated Research Centers if you think Stanford and MIT do not receive federal dollars. They compete with McKinsey for highest hourly rate.
briankelly 7y ago
Private colleges do receive federal funding, and can even receive more public funding than public schools. A few colleges like Hillsdale are notable (or notorious) for refusing it.
ReallyAnonymous 7y ago
I went to Duke University from 1987 to 1991. Because I was a North Carolina Resident not using a public university, but staying in state, North Carolina paid Duke $1000 out of the $8000 tuition for me. Not sure what it is now, or if it still exists.
kxyvr 7y ago
Unfortunately, this is a common misconception. The government pays for private universities in a number of ways: 1. Private non-profit universities are typically exempt from paying property tax. While this may seem like a reasonable idea, do note that many of these universities also own and operate commercial and retail centers, which complicates the tax exempt benefits. The ability to not pay tax is a direct subsidy from the local government to the university. One common and long standing story that illustrates this is the relationship between Yale and New Haven: https://www.nhregister.com/colleges/article/Yale-s-tax-exempt-New-Haven-property-worth-2-5-11372847.php https://www.nhregister.com/colleges/article/Yale-s-tax-exemp... Yale does pay some property tax, but really not as much as they should. They do actually make voluntary payments and New Haven is vastly better off that they're there, but they're still subsidized by the city and state. 2. The R&D departments at both public and private universities are heavily funded by the federal government. Note, only a fraction of the business that a university conducts relates to teaching students. One of its primary, central duties also involves research. The federal government funds both public and private universities and many private universities receive hundreds of millions dollars in such grants: https://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/03/22/universities-getting-the-most-money-from-the-federal-government/ https://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/03/22/universities... 3. Pell grants, the GI Bill, and federal students are allowed to be given to private universities. In fact, for profit universities are supposed to limit their total income to only 90% of federal grants and most push right up against this limit. Without these government funds, they could not exist: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2017/01/11/how-much-do-for-profit-colleges-rely-on-federal-funds/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2017/... More generally, I'm not sure why the grandparent comment is getting as much grief as they are for laying blame on state legislators. The linked article from CBPP is pretty telling and damning. Candidly, the issue is complicated, but the state legislatures consistently decreasing funding the universities has made tuition raises inevitable. If anyone is interested, Pew has a recent article that has a lot of information that details the source of university funding: https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2019/10/two-decades-of-change-in-federal-and-state-higher-education-funding https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-bri... There's a lot in there, but one of things they document is a shift from funding universities primarily through state funds to funding them through federal. Federal dollars are not just transferred to the university in the same way that state funds are. The law requires these funds be transferred through things like the GI bill, or Pell grants, or student loans, or some other vessel. Universities get access to these dollars by raising tuition. So, yes, federal student loans are a problem, but turning off that spigot doesn't magically mean the universities will have the money they need to operate. State legislatures should be held accountable for the problem that they helped facilitate.

Gov does not pay for private colleges.

notfromhere 7y ago

It indirectly does via loan guarantees

L-four 7y ago

Hahahaha good one.

killjoywashere 7y ago
Yeah, take a look at University Affiliated Research Centers if you think Stanford and MIT do not receive federal dollars. They compete with McKinsey for highest hourly rate.

briankelly 7y ago

Private colleges do receive federal funding, and can even receive more public funding than public schools. A few colleges like Hillsdale are notable (or notorious) for refusing it.

ReallyAnonymous 7y ago

I went to Duke University from 1987 to 1991. Because I was a North Carolina Resident not using a public university, but staying in state, North Carolina paid Duke $1000 out of the $8000 tuition for me. Not sure what it is now, or if it still exists.

kxyvr 7y ago

Unfortunately, this is a common misconception. The government pays for private universities in a number of ways: 1. Private non-profit universities are typically exempt from paying property tax. While this may seem like a reasonable idea, do note that many of these universities also own and operate commercial and retail centers, which complicates the tax exempt benefits. The ability to not pay tax is a direct subsidy from the local government to the university. One common and long standing story that illustrates this is the relationship between Yale and New Haven: https://www.nhregister.com/colleges/article/Yale-s-tax-exempt-New-Haven-property-worth-2-5-11372847.php https://www.nhregister.com/colleges/article/Yale-s-tax-exemp... Yale does pay some property tax, but really not as much as they should. They do actually make voluntary payments and New Haven is vastly better off that they're there, but they're still subsidized by the city and state. 2. The R&D departments at both public and private universities are heavily funded by the federal government. Note, only a fraction of the business that a university conducts relates to teaching students. One of its primary, central duties also involves research. The federal government funds both public and private universities and many private universities receive hundreds of millions dollars in such grants: https://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/03/22/universities-getting-the-most-money-from-the-federal-government/ https://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/03/22/universities... 3. Pell grants, the GI Bill, and federal students are allowed to be given to private universities. In fact, for profit universities are supposed to limit their total income to only 90% of federal grants and most push right up against this limit. Without these government funds, they could not exist: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2017/01/11/how-much-do-for-profit-colleges-rely-on-federal-funds/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2017/... More generally, I'm not sure why the grandparent comment is getting as much grief as they are for laying blame on state legislators. The linked article from CBPP is pretty telling and damning. Candidly, the issue is complicated, but the state legislatures consistently decreasing funding the universities has made tuition raises inevitable. If anyone is interested, Pew has a recent article that has a lot of information that details the source of university funding: https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2019/10/two-decades-of-change-in-federal-and-state-higher-education-funding https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-bri... There's a lot in there, but one of things they document is a shift from funding universities primarily through state funds to funding them through federal. Federal dollars are not just transferred to the university in the same way that state funds are. The law requires these funds be transferred through things like the GI bill, or Pell grants, or student loans, or some other vessel. Universities get access to these dollars by raising tuition. So, yes, federal student loans are a problem, but turning off that spigot doesn't magically mean the universities will have the money they need to operate. State legislatures should be held accountable for the problem that they helped facilitate.