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>And somehow Apple approved this usage of location data. On one hand I agree with you, that's crazy that your SSH program put that limit on there for clearly t

>And somehow Apple approved this usage of location data. On one hand I agree with you, that's crazy that your SSH program put that limit on there for clearly tracking purposes. But I guess I sort of disagree this is Apple's problem to solve. It's yours. Apple made the changes to inform and educate you the customer that an app that is abusing your trust. The solution is not to force Apple to police developers but for you to stop using Terminus. Call it a free market solution if you like. The difference with real and ideal is that Terminus could absolutely find a "legitimate" use for location and it would scoot right by Apple review anyhow. So let them be upfront they're bad people being bad. (Before it comes... I KNOW... Apple walled garden and how they do this a lot anyhow! But, as someone who has walled garden issues with Apple, we should encourage information and education over big brother protecting us. It might not be consistent for them, but I think it's the right move here)

freehunter 7y ago
The reason I called out Apple is because they normally take a strong stance on misuse of permissions. I’ve had my own apps rejected for the justification “I need location permissions so I know where you are” in a mapping app where the use case is obvious. If Apple is playing hands on, they deserve just as much blame.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
  I don't disagree. They need to do have a consistent approach. Selective enforcement is not likely the thing here, it seems like sibling that this just got missed. So, report to Apple, file a review, stop using it. If Apple comes to the rescue and characteristically fixes it, great, if they don't - they've already made great steps in allowing you to make informed decisions.
  - htfu 7y ago
    Why stop using the app, let one report it, and not just turn the unwanted feature off? And I think the app is covered since it's saying "enabling location data means you can plot on a map where you've connected to a host" or something like that in settings - good enough a bs feature for Apple to let it slide, evidently.
    - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
      > Why stop using the app Because they have clearly demonstrated they do not deserve your trust or support.
      - htfu 7y ago
        That's what I'm taking issue with. I don't like the feature, hence I don't use it. But why default to faulting them for adding a feature that's clearly useful enough for some to justify being hackily implemented? As someone presumably technically capable wouldn't the first step be ensuring sync is off, routing through a pi or whatever and firing up Wireshark to check whether it's even possible that something malicious is going on? I'm not saying it's not - I have no idea. But I'd certainly have a look before making any claims.
Despegar 7y ago
>The solution is not to force Apple to police developers but for you to stop using Terminus. The actual scalable solution is for Congress or states to pass GDPR-style privacy legislation (or CCPA if your politicians are captured by tech industry interests).
- SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
  Maybe you're right and the solution is just add more laws.
  - Klonoar 7y ago
    No tech can fix the lack of laws regarding rights and privacy of citizens. At best, it just slows down the encroaching. It's always laws.
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  The scalable solution is to stop using Apple products and use platforms that let you do what you want without resorting to silly hacks that might hide actual privacy violations.

freehunter 7y ago

The reason I called out Apple is because they normally take a strong stance on misuse of permissions. I’ve had my own apps rejected for the justification “I need location permissions so I know where you are” in a mapping app where the use case is obvious. If Apple is playing hands on, they deserve just as much blame.

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
I don't disagree. They need to do have a consistent approach. Selective enforcement is not likely the thing here, it seems like sibling that this just got missed. So, report to Apple, file a review, stop using it. If Apple comes to the rescue and characteristically fixes it, great, if they don't - they've already made great steps in allowing you to make informed decisions.
- htfu 7y ago
  Why stop using the app, let one report it, and not just turn the unwanted feature off? And I think the app is covered since it's saying "enabling location data means you can plot on a map where you've connected to a host" or something like that in settings - good enough a bs feature for Apple to let it slide, evidently.
  - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
    > Why stop using the app Because they have clearly demonstrated they do not deserve your trust or support.
    - htfu 7y ago
      That's what I'm taking issue with. I don't like the feature, hence I don't use it. But why default to faulting them for adding a feature that's clearly useful enough for some to justify being hackily implemented? As someone presumably technically capable wouldn't the first step be ensuring sync is off, routing through a pi or whatever and firing up Wireshark to check whether it's even possible that something malicious is going on? I'm not saying it's not - I have no idea. But I'd certainly have a look before making any claims.

Despegar 7y ago

>The solution is not to force Apple to police developers but for you to stop using Terminus. The actual scalable solution is for Congress or states to pass GDPR-style privacy legislation (or CCPA if your politicians are captured by tech industry interests).

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
Maybe you're right and the solution is just add more laws.
- Klonoar 7y ago
  No tech can fix the lack of laws regarding rights and privacy of citizens. At best, it just slows down the encroaching. It's always laws.
lern_too_spel 7y ago
The scalable solution is to stop using Apple products and use platforms that let you do what you want without resorting to silly hacks that might hide actual privacy violations.