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Hmm, the list of habits wasn't even that bad: Don't smoke, drink little, keep a BMI of 18.5 to 24.9, exercise 30min per day, have a diet in the top 40-percenti

by jopsen 7y ago

Hmm, the list of habits wasn't even that bad: Don't smoke, drink little, keep a BMI of 18.5 to 24.9, exercise 30min per day, have a diet in the top 40-percentile most healthy. These seems like feasible habits. Sure if you're overweight, smoking or drinking a lot changing the status isn't easy. But you don't have to go vegan :)

odonnellryan 7y ago
But go vegan. It's easy!
- shantly 7y ago
  I eat mostly vegetarian (I'm not a principled vegetarian so I'll eat meat in some circumstances, just way less than most people) and that's pretty easy, but milk is really cheap & convenient (chemically) for so much cooking, eggs are like a nutrition-on-a-budget cheat code and also chemically useful in lots of cooking, and I love cheese. Going vegan would hurt. [EDIT] if there's one modification I'd really like to make to my diet, it'd be to add fish once or so per week, ideally the fatty, oily, low-on-the-food-chain sort that're supposed to be so heatlhy. I need some kind of guide for how to work up to enjoying fish when you didn't grow up eating it. I can tolerate larger fish when cooked & seasoned very well, but don't really enjoy it at all, and have no understanding of what even to do with the smaller, healthier sorts that isn't stomach-turning (to me) to even consider. Though for some reason I love sushi and calamari, so, go figure.
- Bartweiss 7y ago
  I don't expect anyone to rehash the usual debates over this, but I have a question I've never found answered convincingly... How the heck do vegans eat high-protein diets? I don't mean "get enough protein to avoid deficiency", there are lots of recipes for that. But practically every vegan food I see described as "high protein" is well under 1/3 protein, which is a pretty unremarkable target if you want to build muscle. Eggs are a really easy way to fix that: you can eat a lot of them, you get a pretty good range of micronutrients, and their macros are majority-protein so you have "budget" for other foods. Is the vegan fix just getting really good at cooking seitan with green vegetables? That's (with tempeh and tofu) the only option I've found that's even in the right ballpark.
  - HuShifang 7y ago
    I think the keys are 1) don't be soy-phobic (eat tofu/tempeh, yes, but also soy milk -- esp. the fortified, unsweetened kinds, they demolish most other vegan milks nutritionally), 2) eat lots of pulses (so peanuts, lentils, beans, peas, chickpeas, and the like), 3) eat nuts and nut butters, and 4) choose high protein grains (e.g. oatmeal, whole wheat breads with seeds, whole grain pastas, etc). It all adds up -- I actually found I was getting something like 50% over my recommended protein intake without thinking about it.
  - top_kekeroni_m8 7y ago
    Lots of beans, lentils, tofu, soy mince, fake meats... You could always buy some vegan protein powder if you are concerned about it.
cmos 7y ago
I agree, you don't have to go vegan, but you could go mostly vegan, so that instead of meat and dairy being the default they become the exception. Once you start it's a slippery slope to full on vegan. You will look at meat and dairy not as food but as liabilities to you and your earth. Then it's just kinda depressing. Here you are in an alternate universe with hope and love and beauty while your friends and family stuff buttered bred muscle into their mouth and complain about all their health issues brought about by eating meat and dairy. These same friends look at you with concern for your life decision to not eat meat or dairy while you look at them with concern for their decision to eat meat and dairy. You research it and realize the meat and dairy industries lobby and get our money for their ad campaigns. got milk beef. its whats for dinner pork. the other white meat For the last 70 years they have been programming us that this is how food should be three times a day, every day. We will look back on the cruelty it takes to buy meat on foam wrapped with cellophane and our grandkids will ask us how we disassociated ourselves enough to take part in it all. Why didn't we shout from the rooftops that we are destroying ourselves, our world, our dear sentient animals?

by jopsen 7y ago

odonnellryan 7y ago

But go vegan. It's easy!

shantly 7y ago
I eat mostly vegetarian (I'm not a principled vegetarian so I'll eat meat in some circumstances, just way less than most people) and that's pretty easy, but milk is really cheap & convenient (chemically) for so much cooking, eggs are like a nutrition-on-a-budget cheat code and also chemically useful in lots of cooking, and I love cheese. Going vegan would hurt. [EDIT] if there's one modification I'd really like to make to my diet, it'd be to add fish once or so per week, ideally the fatty, oily, low-on-the-food-chain sort that're supposed to be so heatlhy. I need some kind of guide for how to work up to enjoying fish when you didn't grow up eating it. I can tolerate larger fish when cooked & seasoned very well, but don't really enjoy it at all, and have no understanding of what even to do with the smaller, healthier sorts that isn't stomach-turning (to me) to even consider. Though for some reason I love sushi and calamari, so, go figure.
Bartweiss 7y ago
I don't expect anyone to rehash the usual debates over this, but I have a question I've never found answered convincingly... How the heck do vegans eat high-protein diets? I don't mean "get enough protein to avoid deficiency", there are lots of recipes for that. But practically every vegan food I see described as "high protein" is well under 1/3 protein, which is a pretty unremarkable target if you want to build muscle. Eggs are a really easy way to fix that: you can eat a lot of them, you get a pretty good range of micronutrients, and their macros are majority-protein so you have "budget" for other foods. Is the vegan fix just getting really good at cooking seitan with green vegetables? That's (with tempeh and tofu) the only option I've found that's even in the right ballpark.
- HuShifang 7y ago
  I think the keys are 1) don't be soy-phobic (eat tofu/tempeh, yes, but also soy milk -- esp. the fortified, unsweetened kinds, they demolish most other vegan milks nutritionally), 2) eat lots of pulses (so peanuts, lentils, beans, peas, chickpeas, and the like), 3) eat nuts and nut butters, and 4) choose high protein grains (e.g. oatmeal, whole wheat breads with seeds, whole grain pastas, etc). It all adds up -- I actually found I was getting something like 50% over my recommended protein intake without thinking about it.
- top_kekeroni_m8 7y ago
  Lots of beans, lentils, tofu, soy mince, fake meats... You could always buy some vegan protein powder if you are concerned about it.

cmos 7y ago

I agree, you don't have to go vegan, but you could go mostly vegan, so that instead of meat and dairy being the default they become the exception. Once you start it's a slippery slope to full on vegan. You will look at meat and dairy not as food but as liabilities to you and your earth. Then it's just kinda depressing. Here you are in an alternate universe with hope and love and beauty while your friends and family stuff buttered bred muscle into their mouth and complain about all their health issues brought about by eating meat and dairy. These same friends look at you with concern for your life decision to not eat meat or dairy while you look at them with concern for their decision to eat meat and dairy. You research it and realize the meat and dairy industries lobby and get our money for their ad campaigns. got milk beef. its whats for dinner pork. the other white meat For the last 70 years they have been programming us that this is how food should be three times a day, every day. We will look back on the cruelty it takes to buy meat on foam wrapped with cellophane and our grandkids will ask us how we disassociated ourselves enough to take part in it all. Why didn't we shout from the rooftops that we are destroying ourselves, our world, our dear sentient animals?