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Ah, so it’s all about some twisted sense of fairness? If things suck for some, they should suck for everyone?

by ryanlol 7y ago

braythwayt 7y ago
“Twisted” is an awful word to use when discussing justice being applied equally. If justice is not applied equally, it isn’t justice. As I said right off the bat, I do not think it should suck for anyone, so if the argument is, “let’s fix the justice system by not making it suck,” you know you have a ready and willing ear.
- ryanlol 7y ago
  The idea that rich people should go to prison just because poor people are going to prison is nothing but twisted. None of those people should be going to prison, and in many sane countries they aren’t.
  - braythwayt 7y ago
    1. Nobody should go to our current implementation of "prison." 2. If #1 is unachievable, or while we're working on #1, poor people should not go to prison while rich people slide out of going to prison. I don’t know why you have a lot of trouble with #2. It’s not like you can only argue for #1 or #2, and by arguing for #2, you give up the right to argue for #1. It’s not a dichotomy.
buran77 7y ago
Is the desire for justice really a "twisted sense"? Would you be ok with this "oh well" principle whenever someone wronged you in any way? Or do you have a list of "acceptable" exceptions that conveniently supports this approach and the current situation happens to be on it?
- ryanlol 7y ago
  > Would you be ok with this "oh well" principle whenever someone wronged you in any way? Yeah, I don’t expect my life to improve by locking up other people.
  - buran77 7y ago
    Yes it will and it has, despite your unwillingness to concede the argument. Without something that serves as punishment, correction, and deterrent what's stopping anyone from freely praying on the weak? On you. It does make your life better but it doesn't open your eyes for you.

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Ah, so it’s all about some twisted sense of fairness? If things suck for some, they should suck for everyone?

by ryanlol 7y ago

Ah, so it’s all about some twisted sense of fairness? If things suck for some, they should suck for everyone?

braythwayt 7y ago
“Twisted” is an awful word to use when discussing justice being applied equally. If justice is not applied equally, it isn’t justice. As I said right off the bat, I do not think it should suck for anyone, so if the argument is, “let’s fix the justice system by not making it suck,” you know you have a ready and willing ear.
- ryanlol 7y ago
  The idea that rich people should go to prison just because poor people are going to prison is nothing but twisted. None of those people should be going to prison, and in many sane countries they aren’t.
  - braythwayt 7y ago
    1. Nobody should go to our current implementation of "prison." 2. If #1 is unachievable, or while we're working on #1, poor people should not go to prison while rich people slide out of going to prison. I don’t know why you have a lot of trouble with #2. It’s not like you can only argue for #1 or #2, and by arguing for #2, you give up the right to argue for #1. It’s not a dichotomy.
buran77 7y ago
Is the desire for justice really a "twisted sense"? Would you be ok with this "oh well" principle whenever someone wronged you in any way? Or do you have a list of "acceptable" exceptions that conveniently supports this approach and the current situation happens to be on it?
- ryanlol 7y ago
  > Would you be ok with this "oh well" principle whenever someone wronged you in any way? Yeah, I don’t expect my life to improve by locking up other people.
  - buran77 7y ago
    Yes it will and it has, despite your unwillingness to concede the argument. Without something that serves as punishment, correction, and deterrent what's stopping anyone from freely praying on the weak? On you. It does make your life better but it doesn't open your eyes for you.