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Is it really so hard to believe that this could be an organizational issue where no single individual is culpable enough to deserve a custodial sentence? It re
by ryanlol 7y ago
Is it really so hard to believe that this could be an organizational issue where no single individual is culpable enough to deserve a custodial sentence?
It really feels like many commenters here are just after some weird revenge porn.
- mox1 7y agoif you create a business culture where your product ends up killing people, then yea I would like our government to have a good hard look at the people responsible for that culture.
- ClumsyPilot 7y agoHow many people does an organisation "with the right culture" have to kill before there need to be consequences? I think a hundred is rather large number
- ryanlol 7y agoWho’s arguing against consequences for the organization?
- ClumsyPilot 7y agoLike what kind of consequences, and why do toy think that will be successful in preventing further disasters?
- alistairSH 7y agoThere are two possible responses to your suggestion... 1. The company has an inherently bad culture and should be shuttered. 2. The leader of the company is responsible for that bad culture and should be punished (in some way). 1 is a non starter, because Boeing is "too big to fail". We can argue about the correct punishment for 2, but "go home with $60 million" probably isn't sufficient.
- mokus 7y ago> 1 is a non starter, because Boeing is "too big to fail". This I think is the root of the problem. If we can’t conceive of and apply meaningful consequences for the distributed failures of groups of people, then people will group themselves in ways that allow them to distribute their failures in unpunishable ways.
- alistairSH 7y agoAgreed. I'm just not sure what a court-ordered re-structuring would look like. Something between a bankruptcy proceeding and an anti-trust action? Lots of moving parts and laws and whatnot.