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At what point are we going to stop with this Nationalism bullshit and realize that research, regardless of who pays for it, is good for all of mankind.

turkthrower123 7y ago
As soon as we have removed all of the silly lines on the map.
- cjfd 7y ago
  I think the realization that research is better of without boundaries can be effectuated a whole lot earlier than removing all of the silly lines on the map. In fact it may well be a long time before removing the silly lines on the map is even a good idea.
- excerionsforte 7y ago
  Everytime I see someone mentioning no nations, fictitious as it is, it reminds me of https://acecombat.fandom.com/wiki/A_World_With_No_Boundaries https://acecombat.fandom.com/wiki/A_World_With_No_Boundaries which was branded as a terrorist group in the game. Don't think national boundaries will ever be erased without economic incentive and hardship in the process. How would you refer to each land? As far as I can see there is always going to be boundaries be it cultural, tribal or artificial. Tendency is just there. Look at SF for instance where there was one neighborhood that rebranded itself (The East cut).
  - turkthrower123 7y ago
    > How would you refer to each land? In a perfect scenario, maybe with non-sentimental names, completely unrelated to the past. Until we shed and reject our brutal abrahamist past, the world will never meet its potential. (PS: I really love ace combat, but now fast games give me dizzy spells :(. )
  - SuoDuanDao 7y ago
    Nation-states are a fairly recent invention historically speaking, and their benefits are somewhat questionable - it's entirely possible that they simply don't provide more benefits than the price of administration. Humans lived in city-states for most of our history, I see no reason why we shouldn't expect the city-state to be resurgent in the current century.
- atemerev 7y ago
  And this is exactly what software engineers and other high-impact people should aim to do eventually.
Dirlewanger 7y ago
As soon as the Chinese stop with it too
shkkmo 7y ago
When the national and global patent systems are reformed or eliminated.
acollins1331 7y ago
But is it good for the scientist in the US who did 95% of the research that is then stolen and written up and published in China? Your comment shows a lack of understanding of what is happening.
friedman23 7y ago
As soon as people like you decide to dedicate years of your life towards research and decide to give 100% of credit and reward to some foreign student that barely did any work and is contributing to a totalitarian regime.
jvanderbot 7y ago
A good sentiment which doesnt work when bad faith actors take advantage of openness to capitalize on the race to profitable product by standing on (and not sharing with) the folks who struggle with and funded the enabling R&D. Free and Open Research is Knowledge as a Commons, and is just as vulnerable to bad faith actors as any other Tragedy of thr Commons.

turkthrower123 7y ago

As soon as we have removed all of the silly lines on the map.

cjfd 7y ago
I think the realization that research is better of without boundaries can be effectuated a whole lot earlier than removing all of the silly lines on the map. In fact it may well be a long time before removing the silly lines on the map is even a good idea.
excerionsforte 7y ago
Everytime I see someone mentioning no nations, fictitious as it is, it reminds me of https://acecombat.fandom.com/wiki/A_World_With_No_Boundaries https://acecombat.fandom.com/wiki/A_World_With_No_Boundaries which was branded as a terrorist group in the game. Don't think national boundaries will ever be erased without economic incentive and hardship in the process. How would you refer to each land? As far as I can see there is always going to be boundaries be it cultural, tribal or artificial. Tendency is just there. Look at SF for instance where there was one neighborhood that rebranded itself (The East cut).
- turkthrower123 7y ago
  > How would you refer to each land? In a perfect scenario, maybe with non-sentimental names, completely unrelated to the past. Until we shed and reject our brutal abrahamist past, the world will never meet its potential. (PS: I really love ace combat, but now fast games give me dizzy spells :(. )
- SuoDuanDao 7y ago
  Nation-states are a fairly recent invention historically speaking, and their benefits are somewhat questionable - it's entirely possible that they simply don't provide more benefits than the price of administration. Humans lived in city-states for most of our history, I see no reason why we shouldn't expect the city-state to be resurgent in the current century.
atemerev 7y ago
And this is exactly what software engineers and other high-impact people should aim to do eventually.

Dirlewanger 7y ago

As soon as the Chinese stop with it too

shkkmo 7y ago

When the national and global patent systems are reformed or eliminated.

acollins1331 7y ago

But is it good for the scientist in the US who did 95% of the research that is then stolen and written up and published in China? Your comment shows a lack of understanding of what is happening.

friedman23 7y ago

As soon as people like you decide to dedicate years of your life towards research and decide to give 100% of credit and reward to some foreign student that barely did any work and is contributing to a totalitarian regime.

jvanderbot 7y ago

A good sentiment which doesnt work when bad faith actors take advantage of openness to capitalize on the race to profitable product by standing on (and not sharing with) the folks who struggle with and funded the enabling R&D. Free and Open Research is Knowledge as a Commons, and is just as vulnerable to bad faith actors as any other Tragedy of thr Commons.