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Not sure, but maybe the subtitle tracks have different licensing?

by nitrogen 7y ago

thecatspaw 7y ago
Wouldnt they need to check this based on location, and not on user interface language though?
- falcor84 7y ago
  Shouldn't they just ask the user what their preferred languages are?
- skrebbel 7y ago
  What makes you think everybody in a particular place speaks a particular language?
- toastal 7y ago
  Please don't do this. I can manage to read enough to do certain workflows, but I get so frustrated when Google presumptuously shows me dates according to the Buddhist calendar just because my IP is in Thailand. If my browser is reporting 'en-US' as the locale, the when available I expect to get that.
  - kgwgk 7y ago
    But you cannot expect to get unlicensed content, which is what your parent was talking about.
  - deleted 7y ago
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SJetKaran 7y ago
Prime video shows all subtitles. Even if we assume it is licensing, then Netflix's own shows should show more subtitles, but they just don't. I think they see showing tons of subtitle languages being shown as an UX issue.
- josteink 7y ago
  So form over function then? That’s also a form of UX fail.
skrebbel 7y ago
It's available, you just need to jump through undocumented hoops to get it. I know not to underrate the media industry on this stuff, but I doubt they have licensing that says "make available but only through shitty UX".
- cyborgx7 7y ago
  Licensing might have given the impetus for the gating. And then the implementation is made like this, either as an oversight, or to provide plausible deniability to Netflix. Here in Germany violence in video games used to be heavily censored. Much less so now, but when I was growing up, you basically couldn't have blood in games. I remember playing a GTA game that had bleeding NPCs or not, depending on whether you selected German or English as the game language.
- usrusr 7y ago
  But "hide from the UI" might be sufficient to pass legal review for a "make only available to users of language x, y and z" clause. I could easily imagine this happening if they have two separate layers of availability checks. One general authentication check (likely with coarse "DVD region" baked in) owned by one suborg and another to handle all the eccentric subtleties of hundreds of different licensors owned by a different suborg. As laughable as "security by hiding the UI" is, when it's only protecting licensing nuances that have traditionally only been enforced by broadcast range (which is roughly continental for satellite) pressure to fix it can be very, very low.
- huhtenberg 7y ago
  Do elaborate on said hoops.
- AnssiH 7y ago
  > you just need to jump through undocumented hoops to get it The hoops are documented: https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13245 https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13245 ("Change your subtitle language" section) It says "Due to the large number of languages available, Netflix only displays the 5-7 languages most relevant to you while streaming." and then proceeds to tell the steps to change profile language to get other languages.
AnssiH 7y ago
No, it is simply to avoid clutter in UI: https://www.quora.com/Why-arent-all-subtitles-available-in-all-countries-on-Netflix-For-example-a-movie-I-watch-in-Sweden-obviously-has-Swedish-subtitles-But-if-I-watched-it-in-the-USA-the-Swedish-subtitle-option-wouldn-t-appear/answer/Neil-Hunt?srid=slw https://www.quora.com/Why-arent-all-subtitles-available-in-a... > There are too many languages to list them all in the menu and have the one you want be easily selected - especially when you are viewing on a TV with only a left-right-up-down remote. Accordingly, we show the commonly used languages in any country.
- arcticfox 7y ago
  Well that's the first time I've legitimately gotten upset at a UX decision in a long, long time. My wife is homesick, 5000 miles from her country and can't watch anything in her language... Because they couldn't be bothered with an advanced settings UI anywhere? Seriously, Netflix? Maybe that's an entitled attitude, but to me it's in the same ballpark as accessibility. It might not make a difference to 99% of users, but to the 1% of users in the long tail, it's royally screwing them for lack of a relatively small amount of effort. (In this scenario, a tiny amount of effort).
  - louhike 7y ago
    As someone said above, she should try to change the language of the interface to her language.
    - e_proxus 7y ago
      In my experience, that’s not a solution. I always use Netflix in English, but frequently encounter US content with only regional subtitles and no English track.
  - scarejunba 7y ago
    So set the UI language to watch she wants it to be? This is what profiles are for.

Not sure, but maybe the subtitle tracks have different licensing?

thecatspaw 7y ago

Wouldnt they need to check this based on location, and not on user interface language though?

falcor84 7y ago
Shouldn't they just ask the user what their preferred languages are?
skrebbel 7y ago
What makes you think everybody in a particular place speaks a particular language?
toastal 7y ago
Please don't do this. I can manage to read enough to do certain workflows, but I get so frustrated when Google presumptuously shows me dates according to the Buddhist calendar just because my IP is in Thailand. If my browser is reporting 'en-US' as the locale, the when available I expect to get that.
- kgwgk 7y ago
  But you cannot expect to get unlicensed content, which is what your parent was talking about.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]

SJetKaran 7y ago

Prime video shows all subtitles. Even if we assume it is licensing, then Netflix's own shows should show more subtitles, but they just don't. I think they see showing tons of subtitle languages being shown as an UX issue.

josteink 7y ago
So form over function then? That’s also a form of UX fail.

skrebbel 7y ago

It's available, you just need to jump through undocumented hoops to get it. I know not to underrate the media industry on this stuff, but I doubt they have licensing that says "make available but only through shitty UX".

cyborgx7 7y ago
Licensing might have given the impetus for the gating. And then the implementation is made like this, either as an oversight, or to provide plausible deniability to Netflix. Here in Germany violence in video games used to be heavily censored. Much less so now, but when I was growing up, you basically couldn't have blood in games. I remember playing a GTA game that had bleeding NPCs or not, depending on whether you selected German or English as the game language.
usrusr 7y ago
But "hide from the UI" might be sufficient to pass legal review for a "make only available to users of language x, y and z" clause. I could easily imagine this happening if they have two separate layers of availability checks. One general authentication check (likely with coarse "DVD region" baked in) owned by one suborg and another to handle all the eccentric subtleties of hundreds of different licensors owned by a different suborg. As laughable as "security by hiding the UI" is, when it's only protecting licensing nuances that have traditionally only been enforced by broadcast range (which is roughly continental for satellite) pressure to fix it can be very, very low.
huhtenberg 7y ago
Do elaborate on said hoops.
AnssiH 7y ago
> you just need to jump through undocumented hoops to get it The hoops are documented: https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13245 https://help.netflix.com/en/node/13245 ("Change your subtitle language" section) It says "Due to the large number of languages available, Netflix only displays the 5-7 languages most relevant to you while streaming." and then proceeds to tell the steps to change profile language to get other languages.

AnssiH 7y ago

No, it is simply to avoid clutter in UI: https://www.quora.com/Why-arent-all-subtitles-available-in-all-countries-on-Netflix-For-example-a-movie-I-watch-in-Sweden-obviously-has-Swedish-subtitles-But-if-I-watched-it-in-the-USA-the-Swedish-subtitle-option-wouldn-t-appear/answer/Neil-Hunt?srid=slw https://www.quora.com/Why-arent-all-subtitles-available-in-a... > There are too many languages to list them all in the menu and have the one you want be easily selected - especially when you are viewing on a TV with only a left-right-up-down remote. Accordingly, we show the commonly used languages in any country.

arcticfox 7y ago
Well that's the first time I've legitimately gotten upset at a UX decision in a long, long time. My wife is homesick, 5000 miles from her country and can't watch anything in her language... Because they couldn't be bothered with an advanced settings UI anywhere? Seriously, Netflix? Maybe that's an entitled attitude, but to me it's in the same ballpark as accessibility. It might not make a difference to 99% of users, but to the 1% of users in the long tail, it's royally screwing them for lack of a relatively small amount of effort. (In this scenario, a tiny amount of effort).
- louhike 7y ago
  As someone said above, she should try to change the language of the interface to her language.
  - e_proxus 7y ago
    In my experience, that’s not a solution. I always use Netflix in English, but frequently encounter US content with only regional subtitles and no English track.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  So set the UI language to watch she wants it to be? This is what profiles are for.