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I’m not making any claims about whether you generally hassle anyone so I don’t need any evidence about that in either direction. Either way, you are the first p

by nilkn 7y ago

I’m not making any claims about whether you generally hassle anyone so I don’t need any evidence about that in either direction. Either way, you are the first person I’ve talked to who doesn’t think “you guys” can refer to an audience of multiple genders. That certainly contradicts the overwhelming majority of usages of the phrase I’ve seen in my life.

DoreenMichele 7y ago
I'm aware there are people that use it that way. I've seen this discussion on the internet before. I am unlikely to do so, in part because of negative experiences from a very toxic forum where I was treated like absolute shit. Please note that I'm backing up someone else's claim about this being a phenomenon. I'm telling you they aren't making that up. There are Americans who view that as a masculine term. I'm actual living proof this is not a bullshit claim. Sorry you are having such a big problem accepting that.
- nilkn 7y ago
  It’s not that there are some people who use it “that way.” It’s the standard usage: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_guys https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_guys No need to make this personal with your last sentence.
  - DoreenMichele 7y ago
    I don't think that's "making this personal." It's not intended as some kind of personal attack. Someone other than me noted that this is a phenomenon in some parts of the US. I posted to support that assertion. You have made multiple comments telling me I'm wrong about this when my claim is "I, personally, fit the profile" and you keep citing general usage. I may be "wrong" by some metric or other to see it as masculine, but I'm living proof some Americans do, in fact, view it that way. You do appear to be having some trouble accepting that assertion, given that you basically are trying to tell me I'm wrong about my testimony about my opinion about the phrase, which really is quite baffling to me that anyone would try to tell me that.
    - nilkn 7y ago
      I don’t believe I ever used the term “wrong.” I said you’re the only American I’ve encountered, offline or online, to maintain that “you guys” can only refer to groups of men. That’s all I’ve said, and that’s probably the end of this conversation. The women I work with use this phrase probably more than anyone else I work with, so there’s not much practical for me to take away from this exchange.
      - DoreenMichele 7y ago
        None of this was intended to be "practical" in your life out in meat space. I only mentioned my gender due to the larger context of the discussion. The implication is there are women who, like me, view "guys/you guys" as masculine and (unlike me) would make a big deal out of it. This seems pertinent to the piece being discussed and wasn't intended to suggest anything about women generally, much less women you personally know in meat space.
        nilkn 7y ago
        For what it’s worth, the topic has never been whether “you guys” is “masculine” but whether it can refer to groups of mixed or not-all-male gender. I do find it odd you have consistently avoided ever making a statement about the gender makeup of groups to which the phrase can refer. I believe it is possible for the phrase to be masculine in a sense and for it to still refer to mixed- or arbitrary-gender groups. Can you confirm without ambiguity whether you are indeed talking about the same topic as me?

by nilkn 7y ago

DoreenMichele 7y ago

I'm aware there are people that use it that way. I've seen this discussion on the internet before. I am unlikely to do so, in part because of negative experiences from a very toxic forum where I was treated like absolute shit. Please note that I'm backing up someone else's claim about this being a phenomenon. I'm telling you they aren't making that up. There are Americans who view that as a masculine term. I'm actual living proof this is not a bullshit claim. Sorry you are having such a big problem accepting that.

nilkn 7y ago
It’s not that there are some people who use it “that way.” It’s the standard usage: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_guys https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/you_guys No need to make this personal with your last sentence.
- DoreenMichele 7y ago
  I don't think that's "making this personal." It's not intended as some kind of personal attack. Someone other than me noted that this is a phenomenon in some parts of the US. I posted to support that assertion. You have made multiple comments telling me I'm wrong about this when my claim is "I, personally, fit the profile" and you keep citing general usage. I may be "wrong" by some metric or other to see it as masculine, but I'm living proof some Americans do, in fact, view it that way. You do appear to be having some trouble accepting that assertion, given that you basically are trying to tell me I'm wrong about my testimony about my opinion about the phrase, which really is quite baffling to me that anyone would try to tell me that.
  - nilkn 7y ago
    I don’t believe I ever used the term “wrong.” I said you’re the only American I’ve encountered, offline or online, to maintain that “you guys” can only refer to groups of men. That’s all I’ve said, and that’s probably the end of this conversation. The women I work with use this phrase probably more than anyone else I work with, so there’s not much practical for me to take away from this exchange.
    - DoreenMichele 7y ago
      None of this was intended to be "practical" in your life out in meat space. I only mentioned my gender due to the larger context of the discussion. The implication is there are women who, like me, view "guys/you guys" as masculine and (unlike me) would make a big deal out of it. This seems pertinent to the piece being discussed and wasn't intended to suggest anything about women generally, much less women you personally know in meat space.
      - nilkn 7y ago
        For what it’s worth, the topic has never been whether “you guys” is “masculine” but whether it can refer to groups of mixed or not-all-male gender. I do find it odd you have consistently avoided ever making a statement about the gender makeup of groups to which the phrase can refer. I believe it is possible for the phrase to be masculine in a sense and for it to still refer to mixed- or arbitrary-gender groups. Can you confirm without ambiguity whether you are indeed talking about the same topic as me?