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Take a look at all of the open source projects listed here: https://paragonie.com/software https://paragonie.com/software Especially random_compat (145 million

Take a look at all of the open source projects listed here: https://paragonie.com/software https://paragonie.com/software Especially random_compat (145 million installs) and sodium_compat (6.5 million installs + WordPress 5.2). My revenue for all of this OSS work was precisely $0.00. When was the last time any of us looked something up in Encyclopedia Brittanica instead of Wikipedia? The carrot-and-stick incentive model doesn't work for fully self-actualized adults. I posit that it only works when you use an oversimplified model of human behavior, rather than the messy truth that is humanity.

ernst_klim 7y ago
> My revenue for all Your revenue may be, but people behind Gstreamer, Linux and other important serious opensource product do it for money (sometimes pretty big money, Linus has $2millions income). > When was the last time any of us looked something up in Encyclopedia Brittanica instead of Wikipedia? Wikipedia is looking for money constantly, the have sponsors, donators, without them it would cease to exist. Also Wikipedia's quality often is pretty abysmal, especially when it's not in English. > The carrot-and-stick incentive model doesn't work for fully self-actualized adults. Sure, let's suggest to abolish patent system and see how many fully self-actualized adults will oppose.
- CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
  As someone who has done quite a bit of patentable work in the past 10 years, I would applaud abolishing patents. Cryptography patents makes us all less secure, because nobody uses patented cryptography. It's a net-negative in my industry.
- freeone3000 7y ago
  You'll mainly get opposition from people who own patents, not inventors.
lazyjones 7y ago
You're talking about a niche of products with marginal cost = 0 for production, distribution. Call me when you start building houses for free. ;-)
rolltiide 7y ago
> The carrot-and-stick incentive model doesn't work for fully self-actualized adults. But for those who could be fully self actualized but arent yet and have to exchange time for food and shelter?
- CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
  I had already covered that with the sentence that followed the one you quote-replied to. To explain: I said it doesn't work with people who are X. Then I posited that it only works in condition Y. Y covers all cases, including non-X, and therefore answers your question (with respect to what I'd posit). If your mental model of humanity is deeply flawed, you expect carrot-and-stick motivations to work. It doesn't matter if they're self-actualized. If anyone is still confused, this might be worth a read: https://www.amazon.com/Drive-Surprising-Truth-About-Motivates/dp/1594484805 https://www.amazon.com/Drive-Surprising-Truth-About-Motivate...

ernst_klim 7y ago

> My revenue for all Your revenue may be, but people behind Gstreamer, Linux and other important serious opensource product do it for money (sometimes pretty big money, Linus has $2millions income). > When was the last time any of us looked something up in Encyclopedia Brittanica instead of Wikipedia? Wikipedia is looking for money constantly, the have sponsors, donators, without them it would cease to exist. Also Wikipedia's quality often is pretty abysmal, especially when it's not in English. > The carrot-and-stick incentive model doesn't work for fully self-actualized adults. Sure, let's suggest to abolish patent system and see how many fully self-actualized adults will oppose.

CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
As someone who has done quite a bit of patentable work in the past 10 years, I would applaud abolishing patents. Cryptography patents makes us all less secure, because nobody uses patented cryptography. It's a net-negative in my industry.
freeone3000 7y ago
You'll mainly get opposition from people who own patents, not inventors.

lazyjones 7y ago

You're talking about a niche of products with marginal cost = 0 for production, distribution. Call me when you start building houses for free. ;-)

rolltiide 7y ago

> The carrot-and-stick incentive model doesn't work for fully self-actualized adults. But for those who could be fully self actualized but arent yet and have to exchange time for food and shelter?

CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
I had already covered that with the sentence that followed the one you quote-replied to. To explain: I said it doesn't work with people who are X. Then I posited that it only works in condition Y. Y covers all cases, including non-X, and therefore answers your question (with respect to what I'd posit). If your mental model of humanity is deeply flawed, you expect carrot-and-stick motivations to work. It doesn't matter if they're self-actualized. If anyone is still confused, this might be worth a read: https://www.amazon.com/Drive-Surprising-Truth-About-Motivates/dp/1594484805 https://www.amazon.com/Drive-Surprising-Truth-About-Motivate...