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Alas, we killed Flash. It's undeniable that that technology enabled a Cambrian explosion of creativity.

simion314 7y ago
I put most of the blame on Adobe, they handled Flash and the related technologies as Flex/AIR badly. I think if they wuld have start from scrtch with an open source implementation of the player it would have had a better success, at tat time the only alternative was Java applets or Silverlight. I liked the idea you had Flash off by default and you enable it only for the page or section of page you liked, I am running now Vivaldi with Javascript off by default because we have a even more garbage experience now with JS, like on BBC news with JS off the links are broken (wtf the web developers can't even create a working link without JS)
- wmichelin 7y ago
  What makes you think it isn't a requirement coming from their superiors? There are many reasons your link may not work. Why do you assume incompetence?
  - simion314 7y ago
    Because the link opens a different news, you click on article A but it opens article B,also the pages work without JS(except the videos or fancy image galleries) only the navigation seems to be broken . A competent developer will show you a blank page and explain that you need to enable Java Script(it could be also not testing the webpage with JS off combined with using JS to layout stuff). The problem is not JS the language but how it is abused and similar to Flash you get people installing plugins or turning it off in settings and white-listing JS on necessary pages, in my case I will not read the article most of the time or use a private window.
    - user234683 7y ago
      >A competent developer will show you a blank page and explain that you need to enable Java Script I completely disagree with this, if I'm understanding you correctly. As someone who disables Javascript, I don't want you to purposely break a page that previously worked (in the sense of being able to read the content of the article) simply because a portion of it which I might not even use doesn't work. The fully competent solution would be to use progressive enhancement[1] (i.e., use functioning anchor elements initially, and use Javascript to add the Javascript-only functionality on top of the HTML solution). If you don't have time for that, the somewhat-competent solution for alerting non-technical users that Javascript is disabled would be to add a banner at the top of the page (like Stack Exchange does) stating that some features will be broken without Javascript. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_enhancement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_enhancement
      - simion314 7y ago
        I agree, the blank page with JS is required should be the least thing they can do instead of some pages where you just get a loading animation. In this case the page appears to work but the links are broken so you can read the titles but frustratingly you are directed to a different article.
  - srgpqt 7y ago
    So you are saying that their superiors are incompetent. Or the superior’s superiors are incompetent. And that seems true enough?
  - lanternslight 7y ago
    Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity
    - justinclift 7y ago
      ... or corruption. ;)
mysterydip 7y ago
I'm surprised someone hasn't made a flash-equivalent framework/environment for html5 or webassembly yet.
- Drakim 7y ago
  With the programming language Haxe and the library OpenFL you can actually create "flash" games for HTML5 using the old school flash API and everything.
- TomGullen 7y ago
  We have, with Construct 3 (https://www.construct.net https://www.construct.net) Recent addition of our timeline editor means we think it ticks all the boxes as a replacement.
  - terramex 7y ago
    Can you create graphical assets within engine in Construct (vector or raster) or do you need to import them?
    - lelandbatey 7y ago
      Yes, within Construct 3 you are able to create your graphical assets. Here's a demonstration of someone adding a sprite to their game which shows the interface for drawing the raster sprite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVGOYvZxlqk&t=3m8s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVGOYvZxlqk&t=3m8s
    - TomGullen 7y ago
      Yes you can create them within the editor, and we've recently added support for importing SVG's.
  - mysterydip 7y ago
    I wouldn't have thought to look there. I'm sure there's many ex-flash devs who would be happy to check it out if they knew.
Pxtl 7y ago
Yeah, Flash created a golden age of indie animation and gaming. Although I think Macromedia has more to do with that than Adobe. Macromedia Flash was both affordable and easily pirateable, putting it in the hands of millions of budding artists. Then Adobe bought it and duct-taped it to the Creative Suite and switched to a subscription-based business model.

I put most of the blame on Adobe, they handled Flash and the related technologies as Flex/AIR badly. I think if they wuld have start from scrtch with an open source implementation of the player it would have had a better success, at tat time the only alternative was Java applets or Silverlight. I liked the idea you had Flash off by default and you enable it only for the page or section of page you liked, I am running now Vivaldi with Javascript off by default because we have a even more garbage experience now with JS, like on BBC news with JS off the links are broken (wtf the web developers can't even create a working link without JS)

wmichelin 7y ago
What makes you think it isn't a requirement coming from their superiors? There are many reasons your link may not work. Why do you assume incompetence?
- simion314 7y ago
  Because the link opens a different news, you click on article A but it opens article B,also the pages work without JS(except the videos or fancy image galleries) only the navigation seems to be broken . A competent developer will show you a blank page and explain that you need to enable Java Script(it could be also not testing the webpage with JS off combined with using JS to layout stuff). The problem is not JS the language but how it is abused and similar to Flash you get people installing plugins or turning it off in settings and white-listing JS on necessary pages, in my case I will not read the article most of the time or use a private window.
  - user234683 7y ago
    >A competent developer will show you a blank page and explain that you need to enable Java Script I completely disagree with this, if I'm understanding you correctly. As someone who disables Javascript, I don't want you to purposely break a page that previously worked (in the sense of being able to read the content of the article) simply because a portion of it which I might not even use doesn't work. The fully competent solution would be to use progressive enhancement[1] (i.e., use functioning anchor elements initially, and use Javascript to add the Javascript-only functionality on top of the HTML solution). If you don't have time for that, the somewhat-competent solution for alerting non-technical users that Javascript is disabled would be to add a banner at the top of the page (like Stack Exchange does) stating that some features will be broken without Javascript. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_enhancement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_enhancement
    - simion314 7y ago
      I agree, the blank page with JS is required should be the least thing they can do instead of some pages where you just get a loading animation. In this case the page appears to work but the links are broken so you can read the titles but frustratingly you are directed to a different article.
- srgpqt 7y ago
  So you are saying that their superiors are incompetent. Or the superior’s superiors are incompetent. And that seems true enough?
- lanternslight 7y ago
  Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity
  - justinclift 7y ago
    ... or corruption. ;)

mysterydip 7y ago

I'm surprised someone hasn't made a flash-equivalent framework/environment for html5 or webassembly yet.

Drakim 7y ago
With the programming language Haxe and the library OpenFL you can actually create "flash" games for HTML5 using the old school flash API and everything.
TomGullen 7y ago
We have, with Construct 3 (https://www.construct.net https://www.construct.net) Recent addition of our timeline editor means we think it ticks all the boxes as a replacement.
- terramex 7y ago
  Can you create graphical assets within engine in Construct (vector or raster) or do you need to import them?
  - lelandbatey 7y ago
    Yes, within Construct 3 you are able to create your graphical assets. Here's a demonstration of someone adding a sprite to their game which shows the interface for drawing the raster sprite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVGOYvZxlqk&t=3m8s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVGOYvZxlqk&t=3m8s
  - TomGullen 7y ago
    Yes you can create them within the editor, and we've recently added support for importing SVG's.
- mysterydip 7y ago
  I wouldn't have thought to look there. I'm sure there's many ex-flash devs who would be happy to check it out if they knew.

Pxtl 7y ago

Yeah, Flash created a golden age of indie animation and gaming. Although I think Macromedia has more to do with that than Adobe. Macromedia Flash was both affordable and easily pirateable, putting it in the hands of millions of budding artists. Then Adobe bought it and duct-taped it to the Creative Suite and switched to a subscription-based business model.