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Totally disagree. It's 1000000 times better than without a job, a job at least helps mental status and boost some esteem. Also it's 1000000000000 times better t

by ausjke 7y ago

Totally disagree. It's 1000000 times better than without a job, a job at least helps mental status and boost some esteem. Also it's 1000000000000 times better than living on welfare or food stamps. for himself/herself and for the society.

steve-benjamins 7y ago
Have you been a jobless adult or on food stamps?
- throw0x1away 7y ago
  Are you saying that it's better to be on food-stamps than having a "low-paying" job? You are part of the problem. This mentality is extremely harmful for society as a whole, as well as for individual taxpayers.
  - werber 7y ago
    Having a low paying job and being on food stamps is a necessity for a lot of people
wycy 7y ago
Not always. Being in one of these low end jobs tends to beget staying in that low end job longer, making it more difficult to have the time to invest in getting a better job. Numerous studies have shown that giving people a bigger safety net may make them stay unemployed longer, but when they do get a job they end up making much more money and being happier overall.
- seibelj 7y ago
  You are thinking of people who go to college or get some sort of official training. However, the best way to earn more money is to get on the job ladder and start learning skills. Once you have some experience it’s far easier to earn more. Putting people on welfare doesn’t help people learn skills.
  - kingkawn 7y ago
    For most it is a rungless ladder
  - funklute 7y ago
    Not necessarily. If you go train as, say, a carpenter, then yea sure. But you don't learn many skills from pushing trolleys in a supermarket.
Ozzie_osman 7y ago
I think it's a stretch to say all jobs help mental status and self esteem. I think the point of the article is that relying on low unemployment as a main proxy of the health of the economy and how the workforce is doing overall, while pushing economic policies that try to mainly optimize that number, misses some pretty big points.
funklute 7y ago
Eventually you approach (modern) slavery though, and the transition is not black to white, but a continuous one. So your argument, without any qualifications, actually implies that (modern) slavery is not a problem. I hope it is obvious to you why that is a highly unreasonable argument.
- dfilppi 7y ago
  No. Slavery isnt voluntary by definition, and that is it's most essential feature.
  - funklute 7y ago
    I don't quite see your point. I agree that both traditional and modern slavery is not voluntary. But if there are no other options, other than taking an extremely low-paying job, then modern slavery is exactly what you get. None of that contradicts what I originally said. Not having a minimum salary, and removing options for people to get by when they find themselves unemployed, creates a perfect environment for modern slavery. The OP that I replied to above seemed to think this is a good idea - it is obviously not.
  - simple_phrases 7y ago
    Plenty of people sell themselves into slavery to pay off debt. People choosing to do this has been an institution for millennia.
throw0x1away 7y ago
Of course having a low-paying job is A LOT better than not having a job at all. You can ignore other ill-intended comments that are throwing straw-men at you. Subjective opinion: jobs promote financial independence, mainly independence from the government. When the majority is not handcuffs and forced to give their votes to socialists to secure their welfare benefits (which, ironically, furthers their dependence on corrupted government and tightens handcuffs), democracy and sane vote prevail.
ausjke 7y ago
I came from poverty, struggled all my way up, and I'm a strong believer that no matter what, you have to WORK and to earn your life. Those people with good life from born and call others "slave" are not helping anyone, in fact you're trying to make more true slaves by that attitude. Always encourage others to work/study/be-independent as much as you can. During the time without a job and when I am in poverty, I _NEVER_ sought for food stamp or any government help, I consider it is a shame to me per my own standard, and this is the only way I got out of the poverty.

by ausjke 7y ago

steve-benjamins 7y ago

Have you been a jobless adult or on food stamps?

throw0x1away 7y ago
Are you saying that it's better to be on food-stamps than having a "low-paying" job? You are part of the problem. This mentality is extremely harmful for society as a whole, as well as for individual taxpayers.
- werber 7y ago
  Having a low paying job and being on food stamps is a necessity for a lot of people

wycy 7y ago

Not always. Being in one of these low end jobs tends to beget staying in that low end job longer, making it more difficult to have the time to invest in getting a better job. Numerous studies have shown that giving people a bigger safety net may make them stay unemployed longer, but when they do get a job they end up making much more money and being happier overall.

seibelj 7y ago
You are thinking of people who go to college or get some sort of official training. However, the best way to earn more money is to get on the job ladder and start learning skills. Once you have some experience it’s far easier to earn more. Putting people on welfare doesn’t help people learn skills.
- kingkawn 7y ago
  For most it is a rungless ladder
- funklute 7y ago
  Not necessarily. If you go train as, say, a carpenter, then yea sure. But you don't learn many skills from pushing trolleys in a supermarket.

Ozzie_osman 7y ago

I think it's a stretch to say all jobs help mental status and self esteem. I think the point of the article is that relying on low unemployment as a main proxy of the health of the economy and how the workforce is doing overall, while pushing economic policies that try to mainly optimize that number, misses some pretty big points.

funklute 7y ago

Eventually you approach (modern) slavery though, and the transition is not black to white, but a continuous one. So your argument, without any qualifications, actually implies that (modern) slavery is not a problem. I hope it is obvious to you why that is a highly unreasonable argument.

dfilppi 7y ago
No. Slavery isnt voluntary by definition, and that is it's most essential feature.
- funklute 7y ago
  I don't quite see your point. I agree that both traditional and modern slavery is not voluntary. But if there are no other options, other than taking an extremely low-paying job, then modern slavery is exactly what you get. None of that contradicts what I originally said. Not having a minimum salary, and removing options for people to get by when they find themselves unemployed, creates a perfect environment for modern slavery. The OP that I replied to above seemed to think this is a good idea - it is obviously not.
- simple_phrases 7y ago
  Plenty of people sell themselves into slavery to pay off debt. People choosing to do this has been an institution for millennia.

throw0x1away 7y ago

Of course having a low-paying job is A LOT better than not having a job at all. You can ignore other ill-intended comments that are throwing straw-men at you. Subjective opinion: jobs promote financial independence, mainly independence from the government. When the majority is not handcuffs and forced to give their votes to socialists to secure their welfare benefits (which, ironically, furthers their dependence on corrupted government and tightens handcuffs), democracy and sane vote prevail.

ausjke 7y ago

I came from poverty, struggled all my way up, and I'm a strong believer that no matter what, you have to WORK and to earn your life. Those people with good life from born and call others "slave" are not helping anyone, in fact you're trying to make more true slaves by that attitude. Always encourage others to work/study/be-independent as much as you can. During the time without a job and when I am in poverty, I _NEVER_ sought for food stamp or any government help, I consider it is a shame to me per my own standard, and this is the only way I got out of the poverty.