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That's awfully nice for you. But my experience was horrible every single time I've tried Arch. The main problem is, every time you choose to update you have to

That's awfully nice for you. But my experience was horrible every single time I've tried Arch. The main problem is, every time you choose to update you have to brace yourself for possibly wasting another hour to repair the subtle breakage the new package version of some minor piece of software introduced. I had Arch on a laptop I used for my freelance business once and took notes of the time spent on maintenance. So I actually have the numbers and know how much money I wasted compared to the time I used an Ubuntu LTS. Guess how many hours I wasted on repairing breakage on Ubuntu LTS. Exactly zero.

MegaDeKay 7y ago
How long ago was your experience? That might be a factor. I have been using Arch for a long time, and if my memory serves, stability was a bigger issue years ago than it is now. These days, I have found Arch to be really solid.
- AnonymousPlanet 7y ago
  That might be a factor, yes. Last time I tried Arch was around 2015. However, I come from a business perspective here. You really don't need an operating system that introduces new versions on a whim in the middle of operations. There's a reason businesses run RHEL/Centos or macOS and whatever has LTS in Windows land: cost of maintenance and reliably wide windows of no possible breakage. As a business, it's kind of a dodgy position to be at relying on "yeah, randomly upgrading versions worked for me so far. Fingers crossed, lol". So I'm interested in what people use their Arch Linux for and what didn't work for them on any other stable platform. My personal observations point towards the Arch Linux users being the tinkerers who like to use cutting edge and hose their Debians trying to wedge some newer version into it. While the ones that ran screaming away from Arch pretty much never had the desire to change the underlying system and were happy with a security backport now and then.
  - mekster 7y ago
    Apparently businesses don't use rolling distro. You don't want your PHP version to endlessly get updated during your operation when you build your app at a specific version. It would mean not only you have to take care of distro update gotchas but you have to go through all the breaking changes the language introduces. Stick with LTS. Rolling is for enthusiasts, though Arch does have put decent efforts on their wiki but I did find errors on minor pages that didn't make it work as written.
    - celticmusic 7y ago
      > You don't want your PHP version to endlessly get updated during your operation when you build your app at a specific version. I think we'll figure out how to upgrade in the 2-3 years of support PHP has for each version. Trying to compare this to arch's rolling release style is bananas.
celticmusic 7y ago
BINGO. 100% my experience as well, down to the freelance. I made another comment pointing out that the ones who think it's just a minor issue with Arch get paid whether they're getting meaningful work done or not.

MegaDeKay 7y ago

How long ago was your experience? That might be a factor. I have been using Arch for a long time, and if my memory serves, stability was a bigger issue years ago than it is now. These days, I have found Arch to be really solid.

AnonymousPlanet 7y ago
That might be a factor, yes. Last time I tried Arch was around 2015. However, I come from a business perspective here. You really don't need an operating system that introduces new versions on a whim in the middle of operations. There's a reason businesses run RHEL/Centos or macOS and whatever has LTS in Windows land: cost of maintenance and reliably wide windows of no possible breakage. As a business, it's kind of a dodgy position to be at relying on "yeah, randomly upgrading versions worked for me so far. Fingers crossed, lol". So I'm interested in what people use their Arch Linux for and what didn't work for them on any other stable platform. My personal observations point towards the Arch Linux users being the tinkerers who like to use cutting edge and hose their Debians trying to wedge some newer version into it. While the ones that ran screaming away from Arch pretty much never had the desire to change the underlying system and were happy with a security backport now and then.
- mekster 7y ago
  Apparently businesses don't use rolling distro. You don't want your PHP version to endlessly get updated during your operation when you build your app at a specific version. It would mean not only you have to take care of distro update gotchas but you have to go through all the breaking changes the language introduces. Stick with LTS. Rolling is for enthusiasts, though Arch does have put decent efforts on their wiki but I did find errors on minor pages that didn't make it work as written.
  - celticmusic 7y ago
    > You don't want your PHP version to endlessly get updated during your operation when you build your app at a specific version. I think we'll figure out how to upgrade in the 2-3 years of support PHP has for each version. Trying to compare this to arch's rolling release style is bananas.

celticmusic 7y ago

BINGO. 100% my experience as well, down to the freelance. I made another comment pointing out that the ones who think it's just a minor issue with Arch get paid whether they're getting meaningful work done or not.