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> It's actually not controversial at all among the people actually impacted by it. Confirmation bias much? > a lot of people are transphobic and are offended

> It's actually not controversial at all among the people actually impacted by it. Confirmation bias much? > a lot of people are transphobic and are offended that trans people are allowed access to gender-affirming medical care. Again, stats please, ideally by country so we might have a proper discussion. > Besides, nobody's asking for statistics on how many people are satisfied with surgery to remove cancer, or other "obviously" good surgeries. Sorry, but that does actually happen, they're called survival statistic, most, if not all health care systems record them. People who survive cancer are generally happy they're alive. > gender-affirming surgeries There's no such thing as "gender-affirming surgeries", they're called sex changes. Gender is a role unlike biological sex.

silencio 7y ago
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1158136006000491 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S115813600... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19040622 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19040622 https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/ss/2013-v59-n1-ss0746/1017478ar/ https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/ss/2013-v59-n1-ss0746/10174... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2265.... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-014-0300-8 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-014-0300-... https://www.academia.edu/2236936/Trans_Mental_Health_Study_2012 https://www.academia.edu/2236936/Trans_Mental_Health_Study_2... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1024086814364 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A102408681436... https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medicine/article/sex-reassignment-outcomes-and-predictors-of-treatment-for-adolescent-and-adult-transsexuals/D000472406C5F6E1BD4E6A37BC7550A4 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medici... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2008.01082.x https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1743-6109.... https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/ https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equali... Hmm maybe that will occupy you for a bit? I also find it incredibly disingenuous that everyone asking for The Statistics are asking after a very awfully specific surgery and don't seem to care whatsoever about mutilation performed on intersex people, or of metoidioplasty, or reconstructive surgery, or many other procedures in the area that are performed for all kinds of reasons. Geesh, I'm actually kind of mad about it... as someone that has given birth to a child and about due with another one, I would love for HN commenters to talk about pelvic pain, vulvodynia, 4th degree tears, incontinence, prolapse, and other incredibly common postpartum issues that might require surgical intervention to the same degree that gender affirming surgeries are being questioned.
- teh_klev 7y ago
  > I also find it incredibly disingenuous that everyone asking for The Statistics If you're making claims then you need to present evidence. > mutilation performed on intersex people, Intersex people are not trans-people, intersex is a genetic defect. Don't conflate and insult intersex people. > Geesh, I'm actually kind of mad about it... as someone that has given birth to a child and about due with another one, I would love for HN commenters to talk about pelvic pain, vulvodynia, 4th degree tears, incontinence, prolapse, and other incredibly common postpartum issues that might require surgical intervention to the same degree that gender affirming surgeries are being questioned. I'm guessing from the fact you've given birth then you're a biological woman. The unfortunate side effects on your body has nothing to do with the discussion in hand, and is verging on a non-sequitur.

silencio 7y ago

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1158136006000491 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S115813600... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19040622 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19040622 https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/ss/2013-v59-n1-ss0746/1017478ar/ https://www.erudit.org/fr/revues/ss/2013-v59-n1-ss0746/10174... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2265.... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-014-0300-8 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-014-0300-... https://www.academia.edu/2236936/Trans_Mental_Health_Study_2012 https://www.academia.edu/2236936/Trans_Mental_Health_Study_2... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1024086814364 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A102408681436... https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medicine/article/sex-reassignment-outcomes-and-predictors-of-treatment-for-adolescent-and-adult-transsexuals/D000472406C5F6E1BD4E6A37BC7550A4 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medici... https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2008.01082.x https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1743-6109.... https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/ https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equali... Hmm maybe that will occupy you for a bit? I also find it incredibly disingenuous that everyone asking for The Statistics are asking after a very awfully specific surgery and don't seem to care whatsoever about mutilation performed on intersex people, or of metoidioplasty, or reconstructive surgery, or many other procedures in the area that are performed for all kinds of reasons. Geesh, I'm actually kind of mad about it... as someone that has given birth to a child and about due with another one, I would love for HN commenters to talk about pelvic pain, vulvodynia, 4th degree tears, incontinence, prolapse, and other incredibly common postpartum issues that might require surgical intervention to the same degree that gender affirming surgeries are being questioned.

teh_klev 7y ago
> I also find it incredibly disingenuous that everyone asking for The Statistics If you're making claims then you need to present evidence. > mutilation performed on intersex people, Intersex people are not trans-people, intersex is a genetic defect. Don't conflate and insult intersex people. > Geesh, I'm actually kind of mad about it... as someone that has given birth to a child and about due with another one, I would love for HN commenters to talk about pelvic pain, vulvodynia, 4th degree tears, incontinence, prolapse, and other incredibly common postpartum issues that might require surgical intervention to the same degree that gender affirming surgeries are being questioned. I'm guessing from the fact you've given birth then you're a biological woman. The unfortunate side effects on your body has nothing to do with the discussion in hand, and is verging on a non-sequitur.