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Do we not expect a disconnect between stated collection and what's dumped? Why wouldn't they collect everything, state minimal, and dump (on request) the minima

Do we not expect a disconnect between stated collection and what's dumped? Why wouldn't they collect everything, state minimal, and dump (on request) the minimal they state?

tempsy 7y ago
Because they’d be breaking the law if they hid data about you they’re legally compelled to share with you if requested
- jagged-chisel 7y ago
  This matters if they get caught and if the fine is more than the profit. Given the track record of Corporate America, I see no reason to believe the legality of the situation will result in truthful disclosure.
  - tikkabhuna 7y ago
    You have to take into account impact to future revenue. Even if the fine is less than existing profits, if it tanks the business then its not worth it. You'd also have to find some employees who were comfortable to keep this hidden.
    - true_religion 7y ago
      Especially considering if they were caught it’s the lower level employees who will go to jail as sacrificial lambs
majormajor 7y ago
Cynical answer: that requires a lot more discipline around data tagging and processing and dumping-on-request than most "move fast" internet companies can do. A company that could do that would, from an engineering perspective, be a refreshing change from all the others that are like "shit, we don't even know all the places we might have stored information." :D
cmdshiftf4 7y ago
>Do we not expect a disconnect between stated collection and what's dumped? Why wouldn't they collect everything, state minimal, and dump (on request) the minimal they state? That's exactly what we expect. See Ruben Verborgh's tale in trying to retrieve his full data from Facebook, not just the summaries we're already presented with in the app - https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/ https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/
- ssss11 7y ago
  Thank you so much for sharing this. I read a couple of further posts on Ruben’s site and found that he holds very very similar views on data privacy and decentralisation as I do. Very worthwhile time spent.

Do we not expect a disconnect between stated collection and what's dumped? Why wouldn't they collect everything, state minimal, and dump (on request) the minimal they state?

tempsy 7y ago

Because they’d be breaking the law if they hid data about you they’re legally compelled to share with you if requested

jagged-chisel 7y ago
This matters if they get caught and if the fine is more than the profit. Given the track record of Corporate America, I see no reason to believe the legality of the situation will result in truthful disclosure.
- tikkabhuna 7y ago
  You have to take into account impact to future revenue. Even if the fine is less than existing profits, if it tanks the business then its not worth it. You'd also have to find some employees who were comfortable to keep this hidden.
  - true_religion 7y ago
    Especially considering if they were caught it’s the lower level employees who will go to jail as sacrificial lambs

majormajor 7y ago

Cynical answer: that requires a lot more discipline around data tagging and processing and dumping-on-request than most "move fast" internet companies can do. A company that could do that would, from an engineering perspective, be a refreshing change from all the others that are like "shit, we don't even know all the places we might have stored information." :D

cmdshiftf4 7y ago

>Do we not expect a disconnect between stated collection and what's dumped? Why wouldn't they collect everything, state minimal, and dump (on request) the minimal they state? That's exactly what we expect. See Ruben Verborgh's tale in trying to retrieve his full data from Facebook, not just the summaries we're already presented with in the app - https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/ https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/

ssss11 7y ago
Thank you so much for sharing this. I read a couple of further posts on Ruben’s site and found that he holds very very similar views on data privacy and decentralisation as I do. Very worthwhile time spent.