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The beauty of the CCPA is that you can request data for yourself and confirm what Honey actually collects and compare with what they state they collect. No nee

by tempsy 7y ago

The beauty of the CCPA is that you can request data for yourself and confirm what Honey actually collects and compare with what they state they collect. No need to speculate who is right at this point based on privacy policy statements that may or may not be outdated or not totally comprehensive.

jagged-chisel 7y ago
Do we not expect a disconnect between stated collection and what's dumped? Why wouldn't they collect everything, state minimal, and dump (on request) the minimal they state?
- tempsy 7y ago
  Because they’d be breaking the law if they hid data about you they’re legally compelled to share with you if requested
  - jagged-chisel 7y ago
    This matters if they get caught and if the fine is more than the profit. Given the track record of Corporate America, I see no reason to believe the legality of the situation will result in truthful disclosure.
    - tikkabhuna 7y ago
      You have to take into account impact to future revenue. Even if the fine is less than existing profits, if it tanks the business then its not worth it. You'd also have to find some employees who were comfortable to keep this hidden.
      - true_religion 7y ago
        Especially considering if they were caught it’s the lower level employees who will go to jail as sacrificial lambs
- majormajor 7y ago
  Cynical answer: that requires a lot more discipline around data tagging and processing and dumping-on-request than most "move fast" internet companies can do. A company that could do that would, from an engineering perspective, be a refreshing change from all the others that are like "shit, we don't even know all the places we might have stored information." :D
- cmdshiftf4 7y ago
  >Do we not expect a disconnect between stated collection and what's dumped? Why wouldn't they collect everything, state minimal, and dump (on request) the minimal they state? That's exactly what we expect. See Ruben Verborgh's tale in trying to retrieve his full data from Facebook, not just the summaries we're already presented with in the app - https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/ https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/
  - ssss11 7y ago
    Thank you so much for sharing this. I read a couple of further posts on Ruben’s site and found that he holds very very similar views on data privacy and decentralisation as I do. Very worthwhile time spent.

by tempsy 7y ago

jagged-chisel 7y ago

Do we not expect a disconnect between stated collection and what's dumped? Why wouldn't they collect everything, state minimal, and dump (on request) the minimal they state?

tempsy 7y ago
Because they’d be breaking the law if they hid data about you they’re legally compelled to share with you if requested
- jagged-chisel 7y ago
  This matters if they get caught and if the fine is more than the profit. Given the track record of Corporate America, I see no reason to believe the legality of the situation will result in truthful disclosure.
  - tikkabhuna 7y ago
    You have to take into account impact to future revenue. Even if the fine is less than existing profits, if it tanks the business then its not worth it. You'd also have to find some employees who were comfortable to keep this hidden.
    - true_religion 7y ago
      Especially considering if they were caught it’s the lower level employees who will go to jail as sacrificial lambs
majormajor 7y ago
Cynical answer: that requires a lot more discipline around data tagging and processing and dumping-on-request than most "move fast" internet companies can do. A company that could do that would, from an engineering perspective, be a refreshing change from all the others that are like "shit, we don't even know all the places we might have stored information." :D
cmdshiftf4 7y ago
>Do we not expect a disconnect between stated collection and what's dumped? Why wouldn't they collect everything, state minimal, and dump (on request) the minimal they state? That's exactly what we expect. See Ruben Verborgh's tale in trying to retrieve his full data from Facebook, not just the summaries we're already presented with in the app - https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/ https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/
- ssss11 7y ago
  Thank you so much for sharing this. I read a couple of further posts on Ruben’s site and found that he holds very very similar views on data privacy and decentralisation as I do. Very worthwhile time spent.