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I honestly feel dirty sending media or any kind of files with Telegram. There is no clear business plan setup. WhatsApp mines metadata/contacts and uses it for

by nikivi 7y ago

I honestly feel dirty sending media or any kind of files with Telegram. There is no clear business plan setup. WhatsApp mines metadata/contacts and uses it for ad profiling. Telegram runs on saving. But that can’t scale to the future. I do hope that whatever this coin is, it success because Telegram is decades ahead in terms of UX/speed than any other messenger.

giancarlostoro 7y ago
Except does it even have reasonable end to end encryption?
- otachack 7y ago
  What I hear from others if that it isn't up to par with encryption standards that Signal and WhatsApp use since Telegram rolls their own. Also, you have to explicitly start a e2e chat with a given person, otherwise it's through, and stored in, Telegram servers.
- webboynews 7y ago
  No if you believe vague handwaving. Yes if you see they have an open bounty
  - giancarlostoro 7y ago
    Well I can't remember specifics but I seem to recall somebody pointing to the flaws of their open bounty that it had very specific rules like not MITM'ing someone or something along those lines. Good end to end encryption shouldn't be able to be MITM'd is the thing.
  - tinus_hn 7y ago
    Regardless of how their encryption is done, if you reregister your phone number you get an sms and you’re in and the complete message history is decrypted. So clearly they have all the keys, otherwise they couldn’t send it to you. Practically it’s not end to end encrypted. Note that this is the same with many services that claim encryption, for instance Apple.
    - giancarlostoro 7y ago
      Does apple have the keys or does iMessage just resend as a regular text if you deregister? End to end means only the two parties involved have the keys period.
      - tinus_hn 7y ago
        For Apple this is with their iCloud backups, storage etc. If you lose the password and your devices it can still be reset.
mcrae 7y ago
> because Telegram is decades ahead in terms of UX/speed than any other messenger I'm curious in what ways you feel Telegram so far ('decades') ahead of others? Honestly in my experience Telegram / WhatsApp / Messenger / Line / Kakao / WeChat (outside China) are all at feature parity
- skrowl 7y ago
  Use Telegram on your phone, tablet, and 2 computers Now do that same thing with Signal It's night and day how much better Telegram works when you have multiple devices
  - Canada 7y ago
    Well it's pretty easy as Telegram doesn't encrypt anything at all and stores all contacts and message history server side. (yes, there is a secret chat feature which is encrypted, but unlike Signal it can only connect with a single client and you can't even choose which one so it's very frustrating in practice when chatting with people who have more than 1 client setup)
  - rumanator 7y ago
    > It's night and day how much better Telegram works when you have multiple devices Bears repeating. Telegram is just so much better than any alternative service if you have multiple devices connected simultaneously. Wire also does poorly.
  - hurricanetc 7y ago
    Now try that with a secret chat. Telegram makes it easy by cheating with privacy and security.

by nikivi 7y ago

giancarlostoro 7y ago

Except does it even have reasonable end to end encryption?

otachack 7y ago
What I hear from others if that it isn't up to par with encryption standards that Signal and WhatsApp use since Telegram rolls their own. Also, you have to explicitly start a e2e chat with a given person, otherwise it's through, and stored in, Telegram servers.
webboynews 7y ago
No if you believe vague handwaving. Yes if you see they have an open bounty
- giancarlostoro 7y ago
  Well I can't remember specifics but I seem to recall somebody pointing to the flaws of their open bounty that it had very specific rules like not MITM'ing someone or something along those lines. Good end to end encryption shouldn't be able to be MITM'd is the thing.
- tinus_hn 7y ago
  Regardless of how their encryption is done, if you reregister your phone number you get an sms and you’re in and the complete message history is decrypted. So clearly they have all the keys, otherwise they couldn’t send it to you. Practically it’s not end to end encrypted. Note that this is the same with many services that claim encryption, for instance Apple.
  - giancarlostoro 7y ago
    Does apple have the keys or does iMessage just resend as a regular text if you deregister? End to end means only the two parties involved have the keys period.
    - tinus_hn 7y ago
      For Apple this is with their iCloud backups, storage etc. If you lose the password and your devices it can still be reset.

mcrae 7y ago

> because Telegram is decades ahead in terms of UX/speed than any other messenger I'm curious in what ways you feel Telegram so far ('decades') ahead of others? Honestly in my experience Telegram / WhatsApp / Messenger / Line / Kakao / WeChat (outside China) are all at feature parity

skrowl 7y ago
Use Telegram on your phone, tablet, and 2 computers Now do that same thing with Signal It's night and day how much better Telegram works when you have multiple devices
- Canada 7y ago
  Well it's pretty easy as Telegram doesn't encrypt anything at all and stores all contacts and message history server side. (yes, there is a secret chat feature which is encrypted, but unlike Signal it can only connect with a single client and you can't even choose which one so it's very frustrating in practice when chatting with people who have more than 1 client setup)
- rumanator 7y ago
  > It's night and day how much better Telegram works when you have multiple devices Bears repeating. Telegram is just so much better than any alternative service if you have multiple devices connected simultaneously. Wire also does poorly.
- hurricanetc 7y ago
  Now try that with a secret chat. Telegram makes it easy by cheating with privacy and security.