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Yah, worlds greatest philanthropist and infamous child rapist are not quite equivalent...

michaelt 7y ago
If the type of guy who will give you $60,000 to cover the cost of your sabbatical invites you to lunch, but this lunch will take 8 hours of your time, that's still an excellent hourly rate. (If you're willing to overlook the sex offences, that is)
celticmusic 7y ago
I really don't know how you live your life acting like that. Is it your belief that response somehow changed the point? Or maybe you think that response changed human nature? That somehow reacting in that manner changes mankind such that no one would ever be flattered that a rich and powerful person thinks they're interesting enough to have lunch with. What about their wives? Are the wives pedophiles too? They sometimes went to the island with whomever. How many degrees of separation is necessary before you become just a person who wasn't aware of this rich and powerful persons predilections? Lets call it Pedophile Bacon. Everyone is at most 6 degrees of separation from Epstein, therefore it has to be a number between 1 and 6, otherwise everyone is a pedophile due to Epstein. I think what kills me the most is the implication through all of this that Epstein was so important that everyone should have been aware. I certainly wasn't. Until all this shit came out, I had _no idea_ who he was, or that he had been convicted. I don't spend my time tracking pedophile, and I would consider it a bit strange for anyone who does. Imagine if someone like me is asked to go to lunch by their employer. And then this shit hits the fan, and suddenly you're being accused of being a pedophile because the Pedophile Bacon is 3 or less and you're at 2. Maybe the guy is a pedophile. But him having lunch with Epstein says nothing about his status of being a pedophile. Because having lunch with a pedophile is not, by definition, what makes a pedophile a pedophile. But you come in here with this snide ass comment as if it changes any of that. I don't personally understand. Help me understand why you would muddy the waters surrounding pedophiles. How many Pedophile Bacon's does it take before someone once again is presumed innocent until proven otherwise?
- malvosenior 7y ago
  There's evidence of people being aware of Epstein's predilections. He was hardly secretive about it: https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-my-very-very-sick-pal/ https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/08/jeffrey-ep... > There were lavish dinner parties with the likes of Steven Pinker and Stephen Jay Gould during which Epstein would ask provocatively elementary questions like “What is gravity?” If the conversation drifted beyond his interests, Epstein was known to interrupt, “What does that got to do with pussy?!” It think it's fair to say anyone who was on his island, home or jet should be questioned by authorities about what they saw there. He was a child sex trafficker operating out of his homes and private jet. Those are crime scenes. Not everyone who went there is guilty, but given everything we now know it's not unfair to question their presence in Epstein's orbit.
  - celticmusic 7y ago
    this does not make someone a pedophile. It probably makes them morally corrupt, but not a pedophile.
    - malvosenior 7y ago
      That's just one small example. The other big one is that he had underage girls around him all the time. That makes him a pedophile.
      - ryacko 7y ago
        You're right, Epstein was engaged in a platonic mentoring relationship with scandalously young women who by many metrics were also good looking.
      - celticmusic 7y ago
        so elementary teachers are all pedophiles since they're around underage girls all the time? A pedophile is a very specific thing. It's someone who is sexually aroused by underage children. More specifically, it's someone who acts on those desires. that's it. That's the end. There are no other possible ways to get into that club. If someone goes to lunch with a pedophile, knowing they're a pedophile, to try and get $60,000, they're morally corrupt. They're a shitty person. But until they start abusing these underage girls, they're not pedophiles themselves. This is not a hard concept. There are 5 categories of people who went to that island. 1. unaware of his predilections 2. aware, and morally corrupt 3. pedophiles who were unaware of his predilections 4. pedophiles who were AWARE of his predilections 5. pedophiles who went to have sex with underage children. The argument here is that the only reason you would ever go to that island is if you were 5. This is unreasonable, and it makes you kind of dumb.

If the type of guy who will give you $60,000 to cover the cost of your sabbatical invites you to lunch, but this lunch will take 8 hours of your time, that's still an excellent hourly rate. (If you're willing to overlook the sex offences, that is)

celticmusic 7y ago

I really don't know how you live your life acting like that. Is it your belief that response somehow changed the point? Or maybe you think that response changed human nature? That somehow reacting in that manner changes mankind such that no one would ever be flattered that a rich and powerful person thinks they're interesting enough to have lunch with. What about their wives? Are the wives pedophiles too? They sometimes went to the island with whomever. How many degrees of separation is necessary before you become just a person who wasn't aware of this rich and powerful persons predilections? Lets call it Pedophile Bacon. Everyone is at most 6 degrees of separation from Epstein, therefore it has to be a number between 1 and 6, otherwise everyone is a pedophile due to Epstein. I think what kills me the most is the implication through all of this that Epstein was so important that everyone should have been aware. I certainly wasn't. Until all this shit came out, I had _no idea_ who he was, or that he had been convicted. I don't spend my time tracking pedophile, and I would consider it a bit strange for anyone who does. Imagine if someone like me is asked to go to lunch by their employer. And then this shit hits the fan, and suddenly you're being accused of being a pedophile because the Pedophile Bacon is 3 or less and you're at 2. Maybe the guy is a pedophile. But him having lunch with Epstein says nothing about his status of being a pedophile. Because having lunch with a pedophile is not, by definition, what makes a pedophile a pedophile. But you come in here with this snide ass comment as if it changes any of that. I don't personally understand. Help me understand why you would muddy the waters surrounding pedophiles. How many Pedophile Bacon's does it take before someone once again is presumed innocent until proven otherwise?

malvosenior 7y ago
There's evidence of people being aware of Epstein's predilections. He was hardly secretive about it: https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-my-very-very-sick-pal/ https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/08/jeffrey-ep... > There were lavish dinner parties with the likes of Steven Pinker and Stephen Jay Gould during which Epstein would ask provocatively elementary questions like “What is gravity?” If the conversation drifted beyond his interests, Epstein was known to interrupt, “What does that got to do with pussy?!” It think it's fair to say anyone who was on his island, home or jet should be questioned by authorities about what they saw there. He was a child sex trafficker operating out of his homes and private jet. Those are crime scenes. Not everyone who went there is guilty, but given everything we now know it's not unfair to question their presence in Epstein's orbit.
- celticmusic 7y ago
  this does not make someone a pedophile. It probably makes them morally corrupt, but not a pedophile.
  - malvosenior 7y ago
    That's just one small example. The other big one is that he had underage girls around him all the time. That makes him a pedophile.
    - ryacko 7y ago
      You're right, Epstein was engaged in a platonic mentoring relationship with scandalously young women who by many metrics were also good looking.
    - celticmusic 7y ago
      so elementary teachers are all pedophiles since they're around underage girls all the time? A pedophile is a very specific thing. It's someone who is sexually aroused by underage children. More specifically, it's someone who acts on those desires. that's it. That's the end. There are no other possible ways to get into that club. If someone goes to lunch with a pedophile, knowing they're a pedophile, to try and get $60,000, they're morally corrupt. They're a shitty person. But until they start abusing these underage girls, they're not pedophiles themselves. This is not a hard concept. There are 5 categories of people who went to that island. 1. unaware of his predilections 2. aware, and morally corrupt 3. pedophiles who were unaware of his predilections 4. pedophiles who were AWARE of his predilections 5. pedophiles who went to have sex with underage children. The argument here is that the only reason you would ever go to that island is if you were 5. This is unreasonable, and it makes you kind of dumb.