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Few things to be said here as I think this comment is unbelievably misguided. Much like how first wave feminism was a response to advanced in pressure vessels
by TheBobinator 7y ago
Few things to be said here as I think this comment is unbelievably misguided.
Much like how first wave feminism was a response to advanced in pressure vessels producing distilled alchohols, and second wave was a response to the obsolescance of muscle in manufacturing, so too is 3rd wave feminism the response to the key technologies of social media and contraceptives.
We've replaced the concept of a couple investing in eachother from a young age to build a nuclear family with college, debt and a status symbol competition; Social media and dating apps have cast relationships and sex as something that you purchase like a product, and they advertise to women that they too are a product, and that they are more valuable than 90% of men. When you remove the risk of STD's and pregnancy, advertise to women that the ability to act like a masterbation toy improves their "social worth" with no consequences. It's a disgusting trade but it has prooven unbelievably effective. The business model of OKCupid is to dissaude their audience from viewing relationships as investments so they instead invest time in OKCupid. Many women have shut themselves off from men approaching them entirely until they can fully vet them online first. The flip side of this is the "top dogs" become unbelievably pessimistic about, and often abusive of, women.
Today a newborn male child has a 1 in 2 shot at procreating (US Census data for Males never married, no children; look at the growth rate); that's 60 to 100 million men, TODAY, who are in search of a purpose in their lives that won't be fulfilled by a family. Ever. Replacement fertility is 2.1 births per women; we're at 1.7. When the USSR Collapsed they were down to 1.3. The dislocation this has produced is absolutely massive and is what is behind birth rate declines in western countries.
What nobody wants to talk about is how much of a powderkeg that will become when those men reach the end of their economic and reproductive utility and determine, rightfully so, they have been been screwed over. The reason you get the CEO of cloudflare blanning white supremacist material isn't because he REALLY hates those kinds of people; it's because the population is becoming a powderkeg and group identity politics is a VERY bad way for that to go. Every revolution has been predicated upon the concept of society losing it's concept of self-respect and dignity, and so devoid of those concepts, unable to engineer them into the solutions they impliment. After the french killed the aristocracy, they engaged in the reign of terror.
No amount of engaging in psychological warfare exercises selling information pollution such as the concept of a "CISGender" or taking down websites is going to change billions of years of evolution or the consequences of bad policy. I'm all for studies on sexuality but they have to be realistic; it is, like psychology, a complex topic.
If you like malthusianism, the approach of allowing the next wave of feminism take it's toll is about as tactful of a way of going about doing it as using a AAMRAM to kill a baby. The kind of generational complex trauma and resulting child maldevelopment this is going to create is not what suites any kind of functioning society well; all you have to do is look at the chicago ghetto's and the never-ending cycle of violence to understand that. The Chinese with their 1 child policy is far wiser for contrast. Think about it; you allow nuclear families and hey they really invest a heck of a lot into that one kid with the government stepping in to ensure it works out.
As far as the roles go in relationships, the correct way to look at it is, the two people in the relationship make the decisions, and if you have something to say about it, go to hell.
- teclordphrack2 7y ago"a status symbol competition" Real housewives of x city...??? I just don't get it! I feel autistic. You can really see how far we have fallen when this type of stuff turns people on, and not only does it make a buck but so much more. How is it that people don't see the narcissism and immorality that is portrayed and profited off of. I mean, how can someone like teresa and joe giudice get caught doing things with loan applications and financial fraud that lead to our(usa) economic implosion, yet they still have a viewership and profit off of this. Sorry to rant but I have to. I have a therory and would like opinions. In a semi-perfect economic system all actors trying to start and run a business would play by the rules. In the system today we know people are not perfect. Some are flawed and make decisions they know are illegal because of the situation their companies are in. Others just want to be on top and will do what they can as long as the scales will tip in their favor in the end, ie fines are less than profit. As the number of people increase and the market increases the number of actors who are willingly doing these actions becomes more and more. In the end the only ones on the top, the only ones with money, are the ones who are willing to take calculated risk that include breaking the law and the morals of the society they live in. I claim we live in a time where the vast majority of those in power and those with money have gotten there by the use of illegal means. If you look at the bush family their great grandfather ran drugs into china illegally. A lot of beer and hard liqueur companies started out during or continued during prohibition. Walmarts own Sam walton under paid employees and then when the feds said he had to pay them he threatened that any one that cashed the check would be fired. They say with that the milk cream rises to the top, and that is true for a certain amount of time. If you wait longer it is the stench of rot and decay the comes to the top. A stable system will always be over taken by rule breakers, hacker, criminals, an immoralist.
- danbolt 7y agoTo be honest, I’m a little confused about your response. There are a lot of points related to things like feminism as a dialectic, a “meat market” perspective about online dating, social unrest for single men, and trauma. I’m not sure how they connect as a rebuttal, if they are one. My point was that I think society will broaden its view on what a good life for men looks like. I think it will help a lot of the difficult things you mention. I think people will eventually agree with your closing statement much more than they do now. Could you help me understand what you think I’m misguided about? I genuinely don’t understand.