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> I guess credit to the Iranians for admitting their mistake. They denied it up until a few hours ago even after the video evidence first dropped. After a bunc
by awb 7y ago
> I guess credit to the Iranians for admitting their mistake.
They denied it up until a few hours ago even after the video evidence first dropped. After a bunch of countries said they had intelligence that it was shot down they walked back their story.
- boomboomsubban 7y agoDenying it until they completed their investigation is just smart. The US has a history of blowing up planes and blaming Iran after all.
- eloff 7y agoSorry, what history?
- jacquesm 7y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
- reaperducer 7y agoAs unfortunate as it was, one incident ≠ "a history."
- FireBeyond 7y agoAnd this is also "one incident".
- boomboomsubban 7y agoHow is it not? "They only blew up one plane and tried to blame Iran, obviously they would never do it again."
- IfOnlyYouKnew 7y agoA precedent, then.
- eloff 7y agoOk, I'm aware of the incident, but that article doesn't support "and blamed it on Iran", so you have a source for that?
- boomboomsubban 7y agoTo this day, the official US story is that they were acting in self defense in international waters.
- eloff 7y agoThat's a stretch for them to claim that. More like being the aggressors in Iranian waters. Still afaik they did own up to shooting down the airliner, and did not try to blame Iran for doing that. Happy to be proven wrong.
- boomboomsubban 7y agoThe Wikipedia article you read says the US maintains that is what happened. The settlement they paid was specifically worded so that they could maintain that position. Claiming self defense is them claiming Iran was attacking them, or at least "someone" that was implied to be Iran, making Iran the one to blame.
- boomboomsubban 7y agoSorry to double post, but I was thinking about this. I think you assumed I meant the US blamed Iran for firing the missile that brought down the airliner, when I was saying the US said that Iran intentionally caused the accident. An understandable confusion given the connection to current events. Even after Iran confirmed their missile was the one responsible for this crash, it was prudent to deny it until they ruled out a foreign infiltration. Stuxnet showed how far the US will go to infiltrate Iran.
- eloff 7y agoAh, ok thanks for clearing that up. That is exactly what I was thinking.
- nl 7y agoIt wouldn't be the first time a country has claimed intelligence is just made up. They deserve credit for not doing that.
- mthoms 7y agoThey denied it at first, yes. But they were also surprisingly open to allowing foreign investigators on site. They even agreed to give the black boxes over to the Ukrainians. If they were trying to hide something I feel like they would have handled it much differently. Like, for instance how the Russian-backed forces acted when they did the same thing in 2014. Deny, deflect, deny, repeat. The truth would have come out eventually in Iran. Video or not. After all, this incident happened over a populated area with the worlds best intelligence apparatus laser focused on it.
- dole 7y ago“A senior administration official said Friday that he thought the Iranians wanted American investigators there to keep up the appearance that they did not know what had caused the crash.” https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/world/middleeast/missile-iran-plane-crash.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/10/world/middleeast/missile-...
- mthoms 7y agoThat would have gone terribly. The Iranians aren't that stupid. What I think likely happened is that the Iranian aviation authority was misled by their own government and actually believed it was an accident. At least at first.
- aaomidi 7y agoIf they didn't they would've lost any support they had left in the world. They would be left alone against the US. They had to. Iran did the right thing after realizing the thing they wanted to do was too costly.
- mthoms 7y agoOh I agree. I'm just saying there never seemed to be an organized or vigorous campaign of denial. The government was denying it while at the same time, the aviation authority seemed to be signalling that it welcomed international assistance. >They would be left alone against the US. They had to. That didn't deter the Russians in Ukraine. They still tried to cover it up. Badly.
- jojobas 7y agoEverything in comparison. MH17 launch was geolocated, TEL videoed and photographed from ground and satellite. Russia is still denying it.