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> eat a plant based diet I agree with everything else you've said, but the jury is definitely out on this one.

rantwasp 7y ago
there is some research out there that suggests you may live longer if you can actually pull this off.
chrisco255 7y ago
The current life expectancy for Iceland in 2020 is 83.07 years, a 0.18% increase from 2019. [1] Life expectancy for Hong Kong is 84.7 years. [2] Based on a comparison of 158 countries in 2013, Maldives ranked the highest in fish consumption per capita with 166 kg followed by Iceland and Hong Kong [3] Hong Kong also beats most countries in beef consumption, out-eating Americans by nearly 50% per capita. [4] So of the countries in the top 10 for life expectancy, we see a lot of meat in the diet. India has the most vegetarians of any country (at 38%). And their life expectancy ranks 133rd at 69.4 years. [1] https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ISL/iceland/life-expectancy https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ISL/iceland/life-expec... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expe... [3] https://www.helgilibrary.com/indicators/fish-consumption-per-capita/ https://www.helgilibrary.com/indicators/fish-consumption-per... [4] https://beef2live.com/story-world-beef-consumption-per-capita-ranking-countries-0-111634 https://beef2live.com/story-world-beef-consumption-per-capit...
- Rotten194 7y ago
  Some big confounding factors there. Hong Kong and Iceland are also very wealthy compared to India.
  - chrisco255 7y ago
    Well at 133rd there are plenty of 3rd world countries above them. There's only 185 countries on the planet. It certainly shows that meat consumption doesn't hurt.
  - scarejunba 7y ago
    There is a fortunate coincidence here. There are wealthy vegetarian castes in India, and India tracks demographics by caste, so it's likely that the data is out there for us to figure this part out. An alternative is to do something like follow second-generation Western people of Indian origin. I know at least one study of Tuberculosis in the UK tested the effect of vegetarianism there and used the British Asian sub-population to do so, so there's probably some info there too. I don't know of any other large vegetarian groups.
- gdudeman 7y ago
  These are highly confounding statistics. Meat consumption grows with wealth and lifespan also grows with wealth. To say lifespan grows with wealth because of meat consumption doesn’t make sense. Hong Kong’s beef consumption doubled since 2003. I’d wager your average elderly American ate more meat in their life than your average Hong Kong resident. Source: https://medium.com/@ecyY/meat-consumption-growth-in-hong-kong-is-alarming-872e46bf40ca https://medium.com/@ecyY/meat-consumption-growth-in-hong-kon...
  - chrisco255 7y ago
    Their life expectancy keeps increasing right along with their meat consumption: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/HKG/hong-kong/life-expectancy https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/HKG/hong-kong/life-exp...
    - gdudeman 7y ago
      More like their wealth. If you look at the article I linked to, it shows relatively flat beef consumption until the mid 2000s. I’m not saying beef will kill you, but picking two or three rich countries that eat a lot of meat — and have a huge amount going for them in other ways — and comparing them to India is not science or a statistically significant thing. It’s like comparing teacher salaries and alcohol prices in the 1970s and saying one causes the other when they’re both the result of inflation.
      - chrisco255 7y ago
        No it shows a rising trend in meat eating beginning in 1961. Hong Kong has been prosperous for generations, by the way. It's not a recent phenomenon that Hong Kong has gotten wealthy. You can look at the entire top 10 list of countries by life expectancy. They have plenty of meat consumption. There are no clinical studies implicating meat in shortened lifespans. But people blindly spout off that a plant based diet is supposedly healthiest for you. There's no evidence to support that.
    - deevolution 7y ago
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- acollins1331 7y ago
  Wow this is the dumb shit that made everyone think salt led to high blood pressure because Asians ate salty stuff and had high blood pressure... How can someone be in science and yet be so stupid? Learn to evidence and causation.
jv22222 7y ago
From the OP > AGEs can also be encountered in foods, particularly foods that have been exposed to high temperatures, such as in grilling or frying. I wonder if non plant based diets promote more grilling and frying hence the bad wrap.

there is some research out there that suggests you may live longer if you can actually pull this off.

The current life expectancy for Iceland in 2020 is 83.07 years, a 0.18% increase from 2019. [1] Life expectancy for Hong Kong is 84.7 years. [2] Based on a comparison of 158 countries in 2013, Maldives ranked the highest in fish consumption per capita with 166 kg followed by Iceland and Hong Kong [3] Hong Kong also beats most countries in beef consumption, out-eating Americans by nearly 50% per capita. [4] So of the countries in the top 10 for life expectancy, we see a lot of meat in the diet. India has the most vegetarians of any country (at 38%). And their life expectancy ranks 133rd at 69.4 years. [1] https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ISL/iceland/life-expectancy https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/ISL/iceland/life-expec... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expe... [3] https://www.helgilibrary.com/indicators/fish-consumption-per-capita/ https://www.helgilibrary.com/indicators/fish-consumption-per... [4] https://beef2live.com/story-world-beef-consumption-per-capita-ranking-countries-0-111634 https://beef2live.com/story-world-beef-consumption-per-capit...

Rotten194 7y ago
Some big confounding factors there. Hong Kong and Iceland are also very wealthy compared to India.
- chrisco255 7y ago
  Well at 133rd there are plenty of 3rd world countries above them. There's only 185 countries on the planet. It certainly shows that meat consumption doesn't hurt.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  There is a fortunate coincidence here. There are wealthy vegetarian castes in India, and India tracks demographics by caste, so it's likely that the data is out there for us to figure this part out. An alternative is to do something like follow second-generation Western people of Indian origin. I know at least one study of Tuberculosis in the UK tested the effect of vegetarianism there and used the British Asian sub-population to do so, so there's probably some info there too. I don't know of any other large vegetarian groups.
gdudeman 7y ago
These are highly confounding statistics. Meat consumption grows with wealth and lifespan also grows with wealth. To say lifespan grows with wealth because of meat consumption doesn’t make sense. Hong Kong’s beef consumption doubled since 2003. I’d wager your average elderly American ate more meat in their life than your average Hong Kong resident. Source: https://medium.com/@ecyY/meat-consumption-growth-in-hong-kong-is-alarming-872e46bf40ca https://medium.com/@ecyY/meat-consumption-growth-in-hong-kon...
- chrisco255 7y ago
  Their life expectancy keeps increasing right along with their meat consumption: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/HKG/hong-kong/life-expectancy https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/HKG/hong-kong/life-exp...
  - gdudeman 7y ago
    More like their wealth. If you look at the article I linked to, it shows relatively flat beef consumption until the mid 2000s. I’m not saying beef will kill you, but picking two or three rich countries that eat a lot of meat — and have a huge amount going for them in other ways — and comparing them to India is not science or a statistically significant thing. It’s like comparing teacher salaries and alcohol prices in the 1970s and saying one causes the other when they’re both the result of inflation.
    - chrisco255 7y ago
      No it shows a rising trend in meat eating beginning in 1961. Hong Kong has been prosperous for generations, by the way. It's not a recent phenomenon that Hong Kong has gotten wealthy. You can look at the entire top 10 list of countries by life expectancy. They have plenty of meat consumption. There are no clinical studies implicating meat in shortened lifespans. But people blindly spout off that a plant based diet is supposedly healthiest for you. There's no evidence to support that.
  - deevolution 7y ago
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acollins1331 7y ago
Wow this is the dumb shit that made everyone think salt led to high blood pressure because Asians ate salty stuff and had high blood pressure... How can someone be in science and yet be so stupid? Learn to evidence and causation.

jv22222 7y ago

From the OP > AGEs can also be encountered in foods, particularly foods that have been exposed to high temperatures, such as in grilling or frying. I wonder if non plant based diets promote more grilling and frying hence the bad wrap.