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> Depressed, committing suicide or just doing nothing. But apparently nobody cares. We've had a decade+ of men being told they're useless oppressors, who've ea

> Depressed, committing suicide or just doing nothing. But apparently nobody cares. We've had a decade+ of men being told they're useless oppressors, who've earned nothing for themselves, whose "time is up", and that they haven't a place in the future. Couple that with the loss of shared identity in general, the breakdown of the family, the bias in the divorce process, the disappearance of purposeful work and more and it's no surprise that we're in the situation we're in now. The ever-changing "ideals" and "values" we're building modern society on are as brittle as a house of cards. A note: I'm a happily married man with a career I enjoy and am optimistic for my own future, so the above isn't coming from some sense of ingrained / developed resentment, merely observation.

magduf 7y ago
>the bias in the divorce process That one you can probably place the blame squarely on the conservatives for. That bias made some sense back in the old days when women couldn't possibly hope to get a job that paid anywhere near what her (now ex-)husband earned. But things are completely different now, but the court system is still stuck in the 1950s. Meanwhile, the men who complain about this bias continue to vote for conservatives.
- homonculus1 7y ago
  Conservatives aren't the ones who insult me when I try to talk about men's issues.
- xyzzyz 7y ago
  > but the court system is still stuck in the 1950s Somehow, I don't think that there are many conservative judges in family courts. Family court judges heavily lean female and liberal.
  - magduf 7y ago
    Well, let's look at examples from other countries. Do liberal western European nations have this same kind of bias in their family courts, or not? Many "liberals" in America really aren't that liberal, and women in America generally lean conservative from what I've seen, despite their claims of being liberal. For instance, the number of single women attending church is much higher than the number of single men (find a single woman who identifies as active Christian and ask her if she has any luck finding single guys at church).
- llampx 7y ago
  [citation needed]
thewebcount 7y ago
> We've had a decade+ of men being told they're useless oppressors, who've earned nothing for themselves, whose "time is up", and that they haven't a place in the future. That's pretty disingenuous. When they say "time's up," they aren't talking about being a man and having a job. They're talking specifically about sexually harassing women with no repercussions and disallowing women and minorities an equal place at the table. Nobody's saying men don't have a place in the future, just that they'll have to share it with the other 50% of the population.

magduf 7y ago

>the bias in the divorce process That one you can probably place the blame squarely on the conservatives for. That bias made some sense back in the old days when women couldn't possibly hope to get a job that paid anywhere near what her (now ex-)husband earned. But things are completely different now, but the court system is still stuck in the 1950s. Meanwhile, the men who complain about this bias continue to vote for conservatives.

homonculus1 7y ago
Conservatives aren't the ones who insult me when I try to talk about men's issues.
xyzzyz 7y ago
> but the court system is still stuck in the 1950s Somehow, I don't think that there are many conservative judges in family courts. Family court judges heavily lean female and liberal.
- magduf 7y ago
  Well, let's look at examples from other countries. Do liberal western European nations have this same kind of bias in their family courts, or not? Many "liberals" in America really aren't that liberal, and women in America generally lean conservative from what I've seen, despite their claims of being liberal. For instance, the number of single women attending church is much higher than the number of single men (find a single woman who identifies as active Christian and ask her if she has any luck finding single guys at church).
llampx 7y ago
[citation needed]

thewebcount 7y ago

> We've had a decade+ of men being told they're useless oppressors, who've earned nothing for themselves, whose "time is up", and that they haven't a place in the future. That's pretty disingenuous. When they say "time's up," they aren't talking about being a man and having a job. They're talking specifically about sexually harassing women with no repercussions and disallowing women and minorities an equal place at the table. Nobody's saying men don't have a place in the future, just that they'll have to share it with the other 50% of the population.