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?? Insurance companies use your driving record to determine premiums. Trucking companies use driving records to determine who they are going to hire/fire.

by astura 7y ago

alistairSH 7y ago
The article doesn't specify, but in those cases, there should be some form of informed consent. I don't want Geico pulling my record unless I request a quote. They should be barred from doing so unless I explicitly grant permission. I don't want Schneider International pulling my record unless I'm interviewing for a job. They should be barred from doing so unless I explicitly grant permission.
- astura 7y ago
  Which is fine, but I was addressing the comment I was replying to, which basically discounted the entire concept of DMVs selling driving records to insurance companies and trucking companies as "fucked."
  - chadlavi 7y ago
    I mean, the fact that they're _selling_ it per se is also fucked -- the notion that data about me is something the state sells (not a thing that the state charges a fee to access, like some public records) is a pretty dismal concept.
    - astura 7y ago
      What's the difference between "selling" and "charging for access?"
      - judge2020 7y ago
        I suppose it's the difference between "you downloaded this page to your RAM" and "you downloaded this file to your hard drive", plus how "access" means you're given a license to the data, and "selling" means you now own it as property.
      - alistairSH 7y ago
        Possibly nothing, but in this context, to me, "sell" means sell for a profit, while "charge for access" means charge just enough to cover hosting/admin costs. For something like getting my address or driving record, that's possibly the difference between $5 and $20 per request (total guesses).
- deogeo 7y ago
  That's how it works here in the EU - if your job needs a record of (the lack of) any prior convictions, they can't just request/buy it from the police. You have to get the official form that lists that information, then give it to your employer. It doesn't matter one lick if some company needs some bit of information. The government's role shouldn't be to spy on you on behalf of corporations.

?? Insurance companies use your driving record to determine premiums. Trucking companies use driving records to determine who they are going to hire/fire.

by astura 7y ago

?? Insurance companies use your driving record to determine premiums. Trucking companies use driving records to determine who they are going to hire/fire.

alistairSH 7y ago

The article doesn't specify, but in those cases, there should be some form of informed consent. I don't want Geico pulling my record unless I request a quote. They should be barred from doing so unless I explicitly grant permission. I don't want Schneider International pulling my record unless I'm interviewing for a job. They should be barred from doing so unless I explicitly grant permission.

astura 7y ago
Which is fine, but I was addressing the comment I was replying to, which basically discounted the entire concept of DMVs selling driving records to insurance companies and trucking companies as "fucked."
- chadlavi 7y ago
  I mean, the fact that they're _selling_ it per se is also fucked -- the notion that data about me is something the state sells (not a thing that the state charges a fee to access, like some public records) is a pretty dismal concept.
  - astura 7y ago
    What's the difference between "selling" and "charging for access?"
    - judge2020 7y ago
      I suppose it's the difference between "you downloaded this page to your RAM" and "you downloaded this file to your hard drive", plus how "access" means you're given a license to the data, and "selling" means you now own it as property.
    - alistairSH 7y ago
      Possibly nothing, but in this context, to me, "sell" means sell for a profit, while "charge for access" means charge just enough to cover hosting/admin costs. For something like getting my address or driving record, that's possibly the difference between $5 and $20 per request (total guesses).
deogeo 7y ago
That's how it works here in the EU - if your job needs a record of (the lack of) any prior convictions, they can't just request/buy it from the police. You have to get the official form that lists that information, then give it to your employer. It doesn't matter one lick if some company needs some bit of information. The government's role shouldn't be to spy on you on behalf of corporations.