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Quite an eye opener. Yet, due to the enormous amount of money generated by the alcohol and smoking businesses, no one dares to go after them. Who care about peo

by apta 7y ago

Quite an eye opener. Yet, due to the enormous amount of money generated by the alcohol and smoking businesses, no one dares to go after them. Who care about people dying when there's so much money to be made?

carapace 7y ago
> no one dares to go after them. Prohibition doesn't count? What about all the no-smoking-in-bars etc. laws? And the warnings on the packaging? The manufacturers don't do that voluntarily. C'mon now.
- apta 7y ago
  With the numbers mentioned in the article, it's nowhere near sufficient to ban smoking in bars or other areas. It should be permanently banned from everywhere, and production should be ceased. Let's see them pass legislation to do that. And prohibition was later repealed when they wanted the tax money, even though it had overall health benefits to society.
  - carapace 7y ago
    I think we're more-or-less on the same side: I would love to live in a world where smoking was a thing of the past. In re: alcohol... I would hate to give up port. There's an argument there for the artistry of the brewer/vintner, but overall alcohol consumption is pretty vile. But you said "no one dares to go after them" which is wrong, and set off my "wait, what?" reaction.
retrac 7y ago
Given the way most countries have moved against tobacco advertising, it's kind of fascinating that alcohol advertising is both allowed at all, and in many countries it is essentially totally unregulated. When Canada legalized cannabis, the enabling legislation prohibited nearly all cannabis advertising. Producers are pretty much restricted to propagating their brand name. They most certainly can't have an ad that portrays cannabis users as sexy and cool. Quebec went so far that selling clothing or bags with a cannabis leaf on them is now illegal. While that law is probably unconstitutional for its excessive restriction of free expression, it gives an insight into the mentality of the legislators, when it came to cannabis advertising. And yet nothing stops Anheuser-Busch from proselytizing the message that getting drunk on Bud Light will get you showered you in women and make you the life of the party. Billboards, TV, Internet ads, radio, sponsorships. Even the government alcohol monopoly advertises alcohol!
- TurkishPoptart 7y ago
  Anec-data here: in Russia, there are ads (TV and print) for beer, but only non-alcoholic beer.

by apta 7y ago

carapace 7y ago

> no one dares to go after them. Prohibition doesn't count? What about all the no-smoking-in-bars etc. laws? And the warnings on the packaging? The manufacturers don't do that voluntarily. C'mon now.

apta 7y ago
With the numbers mentioned in the article, it's nowhere near sufficient to ban smoking in bars or other areas. It should be permanently banned from everywhere, and production should be ceased. Let's see them pass legislation to do that. And prohibition was later repealed when they wanted the tax money, even though it had overall health benefits to society.
- carapace 7y ago
  I think we're more-or-less on the same side: I would love to live in a world where smoking was a thing of the past. In re: alcohol... I would hate to give up port. There's an argument there for the artistry of the brewer/vintner, but overall alcohol consumption is pretty vile. But you said "no one dares to go after them" which is wrong, and set off my "wait, what?" reaction.

retrac 7y ago

Given the way most countries have moved against tobacco advertising, it's kind of fascinating that alcohol advertising is both allowed at all, and in many countries it is essentially totally unregulated. When Canada legalized cannabis, the enabling legislation prohibited nearly all cannabis advertising. Producers are pretty much restricted to propagating their brand name. They most certainly can't have an ad that portrays cannabis users as sexy and cool. Quebec went so far that selling clothing or bags with a cannabis leaf on them is now illegal. While that law is probably unconstitutional for its excessive restriction of free expression, it gives an insight into the mentality of the legislators, when it came to cannabis advertising. And yet nothing stops Anheuser-Busch from proselytizing the message that getting drunk on Bud Light will get you showered you in women and make you the life of the party. Billboards, TV, Internet ads, radio, sponsorships. Even the government alcohol monopoly advertises alcohol!

TurkishPoptart 7y ago
Anec-data here: in Russia, there are ads (TV and print) for beer, but only non-alcoholic beer.