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Show HN: We are hiring engineering interns who don't use social media

20 points by miy 7y ago

seren 7y ago
Isn't HN a kind of social media though ?
- miy 7y ago
  We're hoping they are using a news aggregator or a friend will refer. Hard to spread messages nowadays without FB/etc. In addition: "If you are using social media and want to quit, tell us during the application process."
  - fastbeef 7y ago
    So do you consider HN social media or not?
bananocurrency 7y ago
I've always found basing yourself in San Francisco and burning full salaries on interns to be a recipe for success too.
pavel_lishin 7y ago
> "We believe social media is very unhealthy, here's our blog post on why." > [ Upvote 3 ] [ tweet ] [ (f) Share 1 ] I kid, though. If you have to have a media presence, you can't expect everyone to come to your mountain top hermitage, so you have to allow people to share your stuff easily.
webo 7y ago
This really bothers me, but I can’t exactly tell why. If what people do on their own time doesn’t affect job performance, what’s the point of filtering by random criteria? Almost like disqualify based on a hobby or political/religious views. Social media is just like another skill. You can use it to your advantage or abuse it.
- DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
  people who use social media will be less creative, have higher levels of anxiety and lower attention spans. Speaking for myself only, also noticed my levels of empathy towards others are also directly related to how much time I spend online and how much and what[1] I consume (and whatever headline has riled me up). [1] It's easy to say "just avoid toxic content" when the majority of content (on social media is toxic).
- geoah 7y ago
  This bothers me too. I don't like social media, and I do agree that they might be affecting people's careers and personal lives to some extend, but I wouldn't like to work in a company that creates such a tight bubble around such a very specifc topic. I would also expect that a company that does "email campaigns with high conversions achieved through dynamic content such as images" would benefit from having people who at least understand social media which I assume is a large part of their user base.
- basch 7y ago
  It's literally an email marketing company. Email is an og social media. They are posting their listing on hn, a forum, another og social media. I just dont get this mentality that treats Facebook/twitter as a different class of technology than email, rss, reddit, irc, and AIM/MSN/ICQ. Their difference is in degree not kind. Facebook is email/aim+wordpress/blogger. It's rss with a type of sharing+popularity-detector. The counter argument being, they arent filtering by people who dont use social media, as much as conducting a social experiment asking people TO quit social media if they are hired. I think its well within their right to build a culture of people with a mindset, and filter for people who live the message they are trying to propagate and/or are willing to forego "social media" as a participant in an exercise.
  - me_me_me 7y ago
    feel the same maybe it should be changed to: > We are hiring engineering interns who don't use facebook or tweeter and only occasionally instagram
  - 7y ago
Aperocky 7y ago
Isn’t the main point of hiring being getting someone who can get things done? Whether they are on social media is at best an indirect effect on that metric.
mox1 7y ago
I kinda want to make a startup, just to hire interns who only read text based e-mails.....
- topologistics 7y ago
  > We are exclusively hiring engineers who use CLI email clients and browse the web using Lynx One major benefit: everyone at the company will be 10x
afandian 7y ago
There seems to a contradiction here: > We believe social media is very unhealthy > We are a small startup focused on making email campaigns with high conversions achieved through dynamic content such as images. Surely these are two sides of the attention economy?
ecopoesis 7y ago
Don't have social media? Come help us spam people the old fashioned way with email.
foxbarrington 7y ago
Show HN can be used for job posts?
- greenyoda 7y ago
  No. This post violates both the HN guidelines[1] (no job posts allowed) and the "Show HN" rules[2] (must be something you built that people can try out). [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html
Nursie 7y ago
Holy crap! $9,600 per month for an intern! That's an insane amount. That's the sort of money that most professionals here in the UK will never achieve, and it's on offer here for interns. The Silicon Valley bubble is real.
- taborj 7y ago
  This is the real story. That's absolutely nuts, and yet I know that someone is going to chime in to say that it's not a living wage in Silicon Valley. Which is also nuts. I live elsewhere, make less than that in my job, and still have money to spare for retirement and extravagances. And my salary is nearly double the average for where I live.
  - johntiger1 7y ago
    > live elsewhere > nearly double the average for where I live Well, that's probably why
    - taborj 7y ago
      That's kind of my point -- living in Silicon Valley, I'd be paid less than an intern, apparently. Look at it another way - this intern position is being paid more than double the national average salary [0]. Outside of Silicon Valley, that's nuts. Within Silicon Valley, not so much. Ergo, prices in Silicon Valley are nuts. Which isn't news, per se. [0] https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm#00-0000 https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm#00-0000
oceanghost 7y ago
This is a very weird ask, but to be fair the pay is very handsome. I don't use social media, I don't live in the bay area, and I've been in the industry for a long time... but were it not for that, I would apply :-)
oramit 7y ago
$9,600 a month for an intern! I really don't have a good sense of silicon valley salaries it seems... I'm actually in the market for email marketing software but I cannot understand what you're doing that's new. Your home page has almost zero information and what it does show looks to be the same as other big names. What are you doing that's different?
catchmeifyoucan 7y ago
I think there’s some sort of underlying social experiment here

20 points by miy 7y ago

seren 7y ago

Isn't HN a kind of social media though ?

miy 7y ago
We're hoping they are using a news aggregator or a friend will refer. Hard to spread messages nowadays without FB/etc. In addition: "If you are using social media and want to quit, tell us during the application process."
- fastbeef 7y ago
  So do you consider HN social media or not?

bananocurrency 7y ago

I've always found basing yourself in San Francisco and burning full salaries on interns to be a recipe for success too.

pavel_lishin 7y ago

> "We believe social media is very unhealthy, here's our blog post on why." > [ Upvote 3 ] [ tweet ] [ (f) Share 1 ] I kid, though. If you have to have a media presence, you can't expect everyone to come to your mountain top hermitage, so you have to allow people to share your stuff easily.

webo 7y ago

This really bothers me, but I can’t exactly tell why. If what people do on their own time doesn’t affect job performance, what’s the point of filtering by random criteria? Almost like disqualify based on a hobby or political/religious views. Social media is just like another skill. You can use it to your advantage or abuse it.

DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
people who use social media will be less creative, have higher levels of anxiety and lower attention spans. Speaking for myself only, also noticed my levels of empathy towards others are also directly related to how much time I spend online and how much and what[1] I consume (and whatever headline has riled me up). [1] It's easy to say "just avoid toxic content" when the majority of content (on social media is toxic).
geoah 7y ago
This bothers me too. I don't like social media, and I do agree that they might be affecting people's careers and personal lives to some extend, but I wouldn't like to work in a company that creates such a tight bubble around such a very specifc topic. I would also expect that a company that does "email campaigns with high conversions achieved through dynamic content such as images" would benefit from having people who at least understand social media which I assume is a large part of their user base.
basch 7y ago
It's literally an email marketing company. Email is an og social media. They are posting their listing on hn, a forum, another og social media. I just dont get this mentality that treats Facebook/twitter as a different class of technology than email, rss, reddit, irc, and AIM/MSN/ICQ. Their difference is in degree not kind. Facebook is email/aim+wordpress/blogger. It's rss with a type of sharing+popularity-detector. The counter argument being, they arent filtering by people who dont use social media, as much as conducting a social experiment asking people TO quit social media if they are hired. I think its well within their right to build a culture of people with a mindset, and filter for people who live the message they are trying to propagate and/or are willing to forego "social media" as a participant in an exercise.
- me_me_me 7y ago
  feel the same maybe it should be changed to: > We are hiring engineering interns who don't use facebook or tweeter and only occasionally instagram
- 7y ago

Aperocky 7y ago

Isn’t the main point of hiring being getting someone who can get things done? Whether they are on social media is at best an indirect effect on that metric.

mox1 7y ago

I kinda want to make a startup, just to hire interns who only read text based e-mails.....

topologistics 7y ago
> We are exclusively hiring engineers who use CLI email clients and browse the web using Lynx One major benefit: everyone at the company will be 10x

afandian 7y ago

There seems to a contradiction here: > We believe social media is very unhealthy > We are a small startup focused on making email campaigns with high conversions achieved through dynamic content such as images. Surely these are two sides of the attention economy?

ecopoesis 7y ago

Don't have social media? Come help us spam people the old fashioned way with email.

foxbarrington 7y ago

Show HN can be used for job posts?

greenyoda 7y ago
No. This post violates both the HN guidelines[1] (no job posts allowed) and the "Show HN" rules[2] (must be something you built that people can try out). [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html

Nursie 7y ago

Holy crap! $9,600 per month for an intern! That's an insane amount. That's the sort of money that most professionals here in the UK will never achieve, and it's on offer here for interns. The Silicon Valley bubble is real.

taborj 7y ago
This is the real story. That's absolutely nuts, and yet I know that someone is going to chime in to say that it's not a living wage in Silicon Valley. Which is also nuts. I live elsewhere, make less than that in my job, and still have money to spare for retirement and extravagances. And my salary is nearly double the average for where I live.
- johntiger1 7y ago
  > live elsewhere > nearly double the average for where I live Well, that's probably why
  - taborj 7y ago
    That's kind of my point -- living in Silicon Valley, I'd be paid less than an intern, apparently. Look at it another way - this intern position is being paid more than double the national average salary [0]. Outside of Silicon Valley, that's nuts. Within Silicon Valley, not so much. Ergo, prices in Silicon Valley are nuts. Which isn't news, per se. [0] https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm#00-0000 https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm#00-0000

oceanghost 7y ago

This is a very weird ask, but to be fair the pay is very handsome. I don't use social media, I don't live in the bay area, and I've been in the industry for a long time... but were it not for that, I would apply :-)

oramit 7y ago

$9,600 a month for an intern! I really don't have a good sense of silicon valley salaries it seems... I'm actually in the market for email marketing software but I cannot understand what you're doing that's new. Your home page has almost zero information and what it does show looks to be the same as other big names. What are you doing that's different?

catchmeifyoucan 7y ago

I think there’s some sort of underlying social experiment here