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vr is just expensive and requires fairly high end hardware still. There are also are all kinds of software issues with it. like when i was playing a well known

vr is just expensive and requires fairly high end hardware still. There are also are all kinds of software issues with it. like when i was playing a well known racing game, very often the camera would be somewhere other than the driver's seat. And those are the kind of games that really are quite heavy on vr adoption and are the natural fit for this type of control. many games do not naturally lend themself to vr, and by those i mean the most popular genres, like fps, rpg, action-adventure. Basically every game that requires your feet to move about in a virtual world. I don't think it is suitable for strategy or management games either. So that leaves simulation, racing and some very old genres like on-rails-shooters. which is a sizeable market, but not the mainstream gaming market.

jplayer01 7y ago
> the most popular genres, like fps, rpg, action-adventure I'm not sure why you think so. I can't think of a genre where VR wouldn't work in some form, but especially anything first-person should work just fine. edit: Downvoting, classy. Yeah, let's ignore first-person games like Sairento, Budget Cuts, Boneworks, etc. which are fantastic because they're first person and how immersive it is to be inside a game as the player. It couldn't ever work. The proof is right there (not really).
- rusk 7y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.
  - jplayer01 7y ago
    Being downvoted for an uncontroversial opinion is also boring and quite shitty, and becoming quite typical of this site. Wish the site would finally get rid of the fucking downvote system. If people disagree, they should actually comment and talk about it, instead of blindly downvoting whatever opinion they happen to disagree with.
    - reportgunner 7y ago
      Why don't you simply go to all the sites that are better than this one ?
      - acollins1331 7y ago
        You're the asshole who tells people to leave America when we try to point out why our country sucks. Criticizing the system isn't an evil derp.
      - martin_a 7y ago
        Unsubstantional comment. Enjoy my downvote. (See, there could actually be something wrong/worth of critics with this downvote system but discussions about that are always downvoted.) edit: This comment will also most likely be seen as unsubstantial as most of the HN user base is not capable of understanding and reacting to satiric comments.
        rusk 7y ago
        > the HN user base is not capable of understanding and reacting to satiric comments. "the HN user base" comprises people from many different walks of life and many different cultural backgrounds, not all of which jive with your idea of "fun". Add to that our medium is static text, a format which is widely known to cause misunderstanding. Back when I was young in the 90s we had a term for respecting this kind of thing, it was called "netiquette". Perhaps, rather than demanding that everybody else jump on board your boat, you should just familiarise yourself with the house rules (there aren't many) and simply abide by them!
    - rusk 7y ago
      I can understand being upset by downvotes. It irks me from time to time too. But you just have to accept that perhaps you didn't formulate your argument clearly enough, or that not enough people agreed with you to upvote and cancel out the downvotes ... Downvotes can be a little cruel but they do work well at helping to eliminate noise. It's not an ideal system but it is simple and effective.
    - 7y ago
Kiro 7y ago
> requires fairly high end hardware still Not true with Oculus Quest which completely turned me from a skeptic to a believer. Just put it on and start playing. No external hardware required.
- Fabricio20 7y ago
  Not exactly sure why you are being downvoted here. Oculus Quest really does not require an external computer (ie High-End Hardware), and it _is_ a really good experience (it's also really cheap compared to alternatives), specially the "tetherless" part of it. [You can see a lot of people in this exact thread talk about their experiences with it] While there is still a lot to improve in terms of quality, not every game needs to look realistic (see: Fortinite - cartoon style).
- timwaagh 7y ago
  glad you are enjoying your Quest. I did not consider it, but it remains something of a niche platform. not approaching mainstream.
jotm 7y ago
FPS is actually the one amazing genre in VR... when it works right. Maybe someone will finally revive the First/Third Person RPG/RTS niche (not top down), which I really loved in BattleZone 1/2. I think it will work great in VR. But yeah, really resource intensive, Pimax says you'll need 2 GPUs (one per eye) to get the most performance out of their 8K headset.
- mrec 7y ago
  What are the normal controls for player movement in a VR FPS? The WASD equivalent, I mean.
  - cybwraith 7y ago
    Since we're in the early days theres quite a bit of experimentation. While there is usually traditional move/strafe on the left joystick, some games have options like: Point-to-teleport (worst option, IMO, but good for people really sensitive to motion sickness) Arm waving - Basically move your arms back and forth like you would when running. Head-directed, or hand-directed movement direction. Physical movement in your room with no artificial movement option. This is typically in genres like wave shooters where you can move to dodge and such but not really expected to navigate a whole level. Some games combine multiples of the above. From a game design perspective, still very much the wild west in VR.
    - timwaagh 7y ago
      this is what i meant. to me these feel like somewhat of a hack, breaking the vr promise of natural movement through a game world. but i suppose it could still be enjoyable.
- cybwraith 7y ago
  Flight/Driving Sims are another amazing genre for VR. Counterintuitively, I think large-scale strategy games are pretty awesome candidates for VR. Third person games are also pretty amazing. If you have VR and haven't tried the free VR mode released for Hellblade, you're missing out.
baby 7y ago
Oculus Quest is 400$, no additional hardware required.

jplayer01 7y ago

> the most popular genres, like fps, rpg, action-adventure I'm not sure why you think so. I can't think of a genre where VR wouldn't work in some form, but especially anything first-person should work just fine. edit: Downvoting, classy. Yeah, let's ignore first-person games like Sairento, Budget Cuts, Boneworks, etc. which are fantastic because they're first person and how immersive it is to be inside a game as the player. It couldn't ever work. The proof is right there (not really).

rusk 7y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.
- jplayer01 7y ago
  Being downvoted for an uncontroversial opinion is also boring and quite shitty, and becoming quite typical of this site. Wish the site would finally get rid of the fucking downvote system. If people disagree, they should actually comment and talk about it, instead of blindly downvoting whatever opinion they happen to disagree with.
  - reportgunner 7y ago
    Why don't you simply go to all the sites that are better than this one ?
    - acollins1331 7y ago
      You're the asshole who tells people to leave America when we try to point out why our country sucks. Criticizing the system isn't an evil derp.
    - martin_a 7y ago
      Unsubstantional comment. Enjoy my downvote. (See, there could actually be something wrong/worth of critics with this downvote system but discussions about that are always downvoted.) edit: This comment will also most likely be seen as unsubstantial as most of the HN user base is not capable of understanding and reacting to satiric comments.
      - rusk 7y ago
        > the HN user base is not capable of understanding and reacting to satiric comments. "the HN user base" comprises people from many different walks of life and many different cultural backgrounds, not all of which jive with your idea of "fun". Add to that our medium is static text, a format which is widely known to cause misunderstanding. Back when I was young in the 90s we had a term for respecting this kind of thing, it was called "netiquette". Perhaps, rather than demanding that everybody else jump on board your boat, you should just familiarise yourself with the house rules (there aren't many) and simply abide by them!
  - rusk 7y ago
    I can understand being upset by downvotes. It irks me from time to time too. But you just have to accept that perhaps you didn't formulate your argument clearly enough, or that not enough people agreed with you to upvote and cancel out the downvotes ... Downvotes can be a little cruel but they do work well at helping to eliminate noise. It's not an ideal system but it is simple and effective.
  - 7y ago

Kiro 7y ago

> requires fairly high end hardware still Not true with Oculus Quest which completely turned me from a skeptic to a believer. Just put it on and start playing. No external hardware required.

Fabricio20 7y ago
Not exactly sure why you are being downvoted here. Oculus Quest really does not require an external computer (ie High-End Hardware), and it _is_ a really good experience (it's also really cheap compared to alternatives), specially the "tetherless" part of it. [You can see a lot of people in this exact thread talk about their experiences with it] While there is still a lot to improve in terms of quality, not every game needs to look realistic (see: Fortinite - cartoon style).
timwaagh 7y ago
glad you are enjoying your Quest. I did not consider it, but it remains something of a niche platform. not approaching mainstream.

jotm 7y ago

FPS is actually the one amazing genre in VR... when it works right. Maybe someone will finally revive the First/Third Person RPG/RTS niche (not top down), which I really loved in BattleZone 1/2. I think it will work great in VR. But yeah, really resource intensive, Pimax says you'll need 2 GPUs (one per eye) to get the most performance out of their 8K headset.

mrec 7y ago
What are the normal controls for player movement in a VR FPS? The WASD equivalent, I mean.
- cybwraith 7y ago
  Since we're in the early days theres quite a bit of experimentation. While there is usually traditional move/strafe on the left joystick, some games have options like: Point-to-teleport (worst option, IMO, but good for people really sensitive to motion sickness) Arm waving - Basically move your arms back and forth like you would when running. Head-directed, or hand-directed movement direction. Physical movement in your room with no artificial movement option. This is typically in genres like wave shooters where you can move to dodge and such but not really expected to navigate a whole level. Some games combine multiples of the above. From a game design perspective, still very much the wild west in VR.
  - timwaagh 7y ago
    this is what i meant. to me these feel like somewhat of a hack, breaking the vr promise of natural movement through a game world. but i suppose it could still be enjoyable.
cybwraith 7y ago
Flight/Driving Sims are another amazing genre for VR. Counterintuitively, I think large-scale strategy games are pretty awesome candidates for VR. Third person games are also pretty amazing. If you have VR and haven't tried the free VR mode released for Hellblade, you're missing out.

baby 7y ago

Oculus Quest is 400$, no additional hardware required.