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>When people say they care about privacy, most of the time they mean they care about anonymity, as in privacy from people who knows them personally. They don't

>When people say they care about privacy, most of the time they mean they care about anonymity, as in privacy from people who knows them personally. They don't want their internet search history to be known by friends or family or coworkers, but they probably have no qualm if it's just data being sent to large corporate service providers. >That's why people would continue to trade personal info for conveniences for the foreseeable future, and as long as corporations maintain public anonymity for those data the most we'll ever see are temporary public outrages. Absolutely agree. We've had no shortage of privacy related issues surfaced in the mainstream media, likely most notably Snowden's leaks. Some in the media made a concerted effort to make people understand just how grave the situation was, for example Colbert letting everyone know, on air, that they can access the dick pics you've sent people privately. People heard it, digested it briefly, shrugged their shoulders and continued on without regard. In fact, people have become worse with their private information than ever before: - People are now sending their DNA to private companies, with no care for the T&Cs involved, in exchange for utterly shallow, almost irrelevant genetic history infographics. - People are wearing "wearables" that are reporting their heart rate, activity levels, sleep quality, etc. to private companies. - People are opening their homes up to 24/7 surveillance with always on, always listening "smart home" devices. - Many more people than ever are posting naked photos/videos of themselves on Reddit, Snapchat, etc., hosted on sites whose owners they have no clue of, ran by staff they have no idea of, etc. They were told the risks, they did not care and so will be given, and will deserve, zero sympathy when something comes out highlighting the abuses enabled by some of the above. "We didn't know!" does not cut it anymore.

donmcronald 7y ago
And soon if you don't want to be priced out of the market for important things like insurance, you'll be forced to go along with the invasive tech: https://onezero.medium.com/if-you-want-cheap-car-insurance-you-might-have-to-sacrifice-your-privacy-d4cdb312dcee https://onezero.medium.com/if-you-want-cheap-car-insurance-y... How do the ethics line up for an insurance company analyzing data from your wearables and seeing a data point that indicates a significant increase in the chance of a heart attack? Do they tell you and pay for preemptive care? Do they drop you as a customer? How many people have to die vs survive a heart attack to make warning you vs hoping you die the most profitable option?
- gvjddbnvdrbv 7y ago
  And that is why many countries have nationalised healthcare.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  In the US, insurance companies are required to provide you with insurance, and the insurance must cost only a certain percentage more than insurance for the healthiest (youngest) people. This is effectively a subsidy from people not likely to need healthcare (young) to people likely to need healthcare (old). Aka Medicare or nationalized healthcare in other countries. This website has a nice table showing the adjustment factors. https://www.valuepenguin.com/how-age-affects-health-insurance-costs https://www.valuepenguin.com/how-age-affects-health-insuranc... https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Programs-and-Initiatives/Premium-Stabilization-Programs/index https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Programs-and-Initiatives/Premium-S... NJ has a nice pdf explaining age rating factors, showing that early 20s is the benchmark, and even though people in 50s and 60s use much more than 3x the healthcare people in early 20s do, the premium is capped at 3x of those in early 20s. https://www.state.nj.us/dobi/division_insurance/ihcseh/ihcrates_2020.pdf https://www.state.nj.us/dobi/division_insurance/ihcseh/ihcra... As an aside, when people complain in the US that the ACA law increased their healthcare costs, what they are complaining about is having to pay for other people’s healthcare. Other than increase supply of healthcare (doctors, medicines, etc), there is no solution to bringing costs down.

donmcronald 7y ago

And soon if you don't want to be priced out of the market for important things like insurance, you'll be forced to go along with the invasive tech: https://onezero.medium.com/if-you-want-cheap-car-insurance-you-might-have-to-sacrifice-your-privacy-d4cdb312dcee https://onezero.medium.com/if-you-want-cheap-car-insurance-y... How do the ethics line up for an insurance company analyzing data from your wearables and seeing a data point that indicates a significant increase in the chance of a heart attack? Do they tell you and pay for preemptive care? Do they drop you as a customer? How many people have to die vs survive a heart attack to make warning you vs hoping you die the most profitable option?

gvjddbnvdrbv 7y ago
And that is why many countries have nationalised healthcare.
lotsofpulp 7y ago
In the US, insurance companies are required to provide you with insurance, and the insurance must cost only a certain percentage more than insurance for the healthiest (youngest) people. This is effectively a subsidy from people not likely to need healthcare (young) to people likely to need healthcare (old). Aka Medicare or nationalized healthcare in other countries. This website has a nice table showing the adjustment factors. https://www.valuepenguin.com/how-age-affects-health-insurance-costs https://www.valuepenguin.com/how-age-affects-health-insuranc... https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Programs-and-Initiatives/Premium-Stabilization-Programs/index https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Programs-and-Initiatives/Premium-S... NJ has a nice pdf explaining age rating factors, showing that early 20s is the benchmark, and even though people in 50s and 60s use much more than 3x the healthcare people in early 20s do, the premium is capped at 3x of those in early 20s. https://www.state.nj.us/dobi/division_insurance/ihcseh/ihcrates_2020.pdf https://www.state.nj.us/dobi/division_insurance/ihcseh/ihcra... As an aside, when people complain in the US that the ACA law increased their healthcare costs, what they are complaining about is having to pay for other people’s healthcare. Other than increase supply of healthcare (doctors, medicines, etc), there is no solution to bringing costs down.