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==The discussion is about how much, how big a problem it is, how much of it is because of us and to what extent we can/should do anything about it.== This is t

==The discussion is about how much, how big a problem it is, how much of it is because of us and to what extent we can/should do anything about it.== This is today's argument, because nobody believes yesterday's argument that nothing was changing. This line of attack is simply the pivot. I clearly remember Ted Cruz running around the 2016 primary saying the globe was not warming [1]. The President exposed it today when he claimed that climate change isn't "a hoax" or "a big scam" like he claimed in the past. Today he said he is a "big believer" in climate change [2]. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/03/24/ted-cruz-says-satellite-data-show-the-globe-isnt-warming-this-satellite-scientist-feels-otherwise/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/20... [2] https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-admits-climate-change-is-not-a-hoax-after-proposing-rollback-of-environmental-law https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-admits-climate-change-is...

ThomPete 7y ago
The problem is that the discussion has gotten completely off the rails and become politicized to a degree that makes it impossible to discuss rationally. The scientific mind is always and should always be skeptical to absolute claims like the glaciers are melting and NY is underwater soon. The "hoax" is not with regards to the climate but with regards to those who claim the glacier is melting in 2020. The media is the biggest perpetrator of all, fueling to this frenzy that not only makes people panic unnecessarily but also creates a situation where really really really dangerous decisions potentially will be taken. Yes the climate is changing as it always have, no it's not something we don't know how to deal with over the next 80 years. So lets all just chill and stop letting the media control the narrative.
- take_a_breath 7y ago
  ==Yes the climate is changing as it always have, no it's not something we don't know how to deal with over the next 80 years.== This is the same type of false authority you claim the media to be pushing. You do not know this to be true, why would you say it? ==So lets all just chill and stop letting the media control the narrative.== Agreed. Let's let scientists control the narrative. What do they have to say?
  - ThomPete 7y ago
    Can you name one scientifically demonstrated consequence of the climate chaning we don't know how to deal with? That's why I say it. By all means. Let me know what we can't handle, but as far as I am aware we know how to handle the climate. In fact we've become so good at it that people who dies from climate related disaster have plummeted the last 100 years. Scientist say that the climate is changing but it's not catastrophic and it's not something we don't know how to handle. Even the latest IPCC report has toned down their fear of the future.

ThomPete 7y ago

The problem is that the discussion has gotten completely off the rails and become politicized to a degree that makes it impossible to discuss rationally. The scientific mind is always and should always be skeptical to absolute claims like the glaciers are melting and NY is underwater soon. The "hoax" is not with regards to the climate but with regards to those who claim the glacier is melting in 2020. The media is the biggest perpetrator of all, fueling to this frenzy that not only makes people panic unnecessarily but also creates a situation where really really really dangerous decisions potentially will be taken. Yes the climate is changing as it always have, no it's not something we don't know how to deal with over the next 80 years. So lets all just chill and stop letting the media control the narrative.

take_a_breath 7y ago
==Yes the climate is changing as it always have, no it's not something we don't know how to deal with over the next 80 years.== This is the same type of false authority you claim the media to be pushing. You do not know this to be true, why would you say it? ==So lets all just chill and stop letting the media control the narrative.== Agreed. Let's let scientists control the narrative. What do they have to say?
- ThomPete 7y ago
  Can you name one scientifically demonstrated consequence of the climate chaning we don't know how to deal with? That's why I say it. By all means. Let me know what we can't handle, but as far as I am aware we know how to handle the climate. In fact we've become so good at it that people who dies from climate related disaster have plummeted the last 100 years. Scientist say that the climate is changing but it's not catastrophic and it's not something we don't know how to handle. Even the latest IPCC report has toned down their fear of the future.