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It's changing a lot, it's a big problem, it's almost entirely because of humans, and we should do everything we can. https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/17

It's changing a lot, it's a big problem, it's almost entirely because of humans, and we should do everything we can. https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/

wolco 7y ago
Should we do everything we can? A mass killing would reduce gases is that on the table? Let's agree to stop dealing in absolutes
- minikites 7y ago
  It must be easy to argue with an inanimate straw-man.
bureaucrat 7y ago
You don't know what earth's temperature was back then. And you're comparing the "estimated average" 20,000 BCE to 1800 to "the recorded temperatures" of 1800~ with a raw graph? And "coincidentally" earth's temperature changes dramatically after 1850s? God, no wonder why some people believe strange things.
ThomPete 7y ago
You see that change in the dotted to solid line down in the end? Do you know why that is? That's the difference between temperature averaged over thousands of years and then suddenly measuring year over year. If you think that's a reasonable way of showing temperature changes, then I guess we have very different standards for what we consider evidence.
- yongjik 7y ago
  Coincidentally, the title text of this famous xkcd: > [After setting your car on fire] Listen, your car's temperature has changed before. If you car is on fire, and inside temperature exceeded 70°C when all evidence points it never happened in the past 12 years you had the car, you can insist on measuring the past 24 hour average of interior temperature, because that's the granularity of past data, and claim that there is not enough evidence that anything is amiss. Or you could just... ...hell, who am I kidding, feel free to say heat is part of nature, it's what mammals crave, and increasing temperature only means your car is more comfortable.
  - ThomPete 7y ago
    What's your evidence that you wouldn't have had these spikes earlier in history? If you averaged that last part of the graph like the previous measurements it wouldn't show this spike. That's the point here. It's misleading. That doesn't mean there isn't a change in temperature.

It's changing a lot, it's a big problem, it's almost entirely because of humans, and we should do everything we can. https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/

wolco 7y ago

Should we do everything we can? A mass killing would reduce gases is that on the table? Let's agree to stop dealing in absolutes

minikites 7y ago
It must be easy to argue with an inanimate straw-man.

bureaucrat 7y ago

You don't know what earth's temperature was back then. And you're comparing the "estimated average" 20,000 BCE to 1800 to "the recorded temperatures" of 1800~ with a raw graph? And "coincidentally" earth's temperature changes dramatically after 1850s? God, no wonder why some people believe strange things.

ThomPete 7y ago

You see that change in the dotted to solid line down in the end? Do you know why that is? That's the difference between temperature averaged over thousands of years and then suddenly measuring year over year. If you think that's a reasonable way of showing temperature changes, then I guess we have very different standards for what we consider evidence.

yongjik 7y ago
Coincidentally, the title text of this famous xkcd: > [After setting your car on fire] Listen, your car's temperature has changed before. If you car is on fire, and inside temperature exceeded 70°C when all evidence points it never happened in the past 12 years you had the car, you can insist on measuring the past 24 hour average of interior temperature, because that's the granularity of past data, and claim that there is not enough evidence that anything is amiss. Or you could just... ...hell, who am I kidding, feel free to say heat is part of nature, it's what mammals crave, and increasing temperature only means your car is more comfortable.
- ThomPete 7y ago
  What's your evidence that you wouldn't have had these spikes earlier in history? If you averaged that last part of the graph like the previous measurements it wouldn't show this spike. That's the point here. It's misleading. That doesn't mean there isn't a change in temperature.