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Here in europe, for what I know, there is a serious problem for getting assisted suicide (in the states that legalized it) for something like dementia because w

by yulaow 7y ago

Here in europe, for what I know, there is a serious problem for getting assisted suicide (in the states that legalized it) for something like dementia because when you have still few effects related to it they can't accept to eutanize you because you are not in a quality of life threating condition, and once the sympthomes are more brutal you cannot get eutanized either because you are no more legally considered capable of making conscious decisions and you must be capable of it _at the moment_ of the procedure, it's not valid to give the authorization before.

m0xte 7y ago
Also if you do manage to commit suicide no one pays out on life insurance or pension. Best option I think is to start with nothing and end with nothing. The above problem is void then. That fortunate bit in the middle needs to be distributed to your children then if they need it.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  Life insurance should pay after a couple years in the US even for suicide: https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/insurance/life/does-life-insurance-cover-suicide/ https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/insurance/life/does-life-ins...
  - m0xte 7y ago
    Not in UK. I checked several policies.
    - Red_Leaves_Flyy 7y ago
      That second sentence dude. You want some one to talk to? Or need help with something?
      - m0xte 7y ago
        Nah I’m good. Just watched a couple of people suffer unnecessarily for the sake of a life insurance contract. Figured it was worth checking out before I threw the cash into one. Thanks for the concern though :)
  - stevespang 7y ago
    Yes, when I trained as an insurance agent many years ago, Texas law said that insurance co only has a 2 year "lookback" period to deny payout in case of suicide or felony crime. Once 2 years passes, they are S-O-L.
eikenberry 7y ago
> you are not in a quality of life threating condition This seems very wrong. IMO few things are worse for quality of life than slowly losing your mind.
- Someone 7y ago
  In context: “when you have still few effects related to it they can't accept to eutanize you because you are not in a quality of life threating condition” All people over 75 (and, probably, way earlier) are slowly losing their mind. Early stage dementia isn’t that different from ‘just’ aging in that. The ethical dilemma with living wills is that they always state a past opinion. It also is well-known from various studies that opinions on when you deem your life worth it shift tremendously over time. With dementia, locked-in syndrome, etc, that’s a catch-22, as there’s no way to ask you about your opinion, or even to know whether there is someone to have an opinion anymore. So, that you say “If I get wheelchair-bound/bedridden/don’t know my name anymore, I don’t want to live anymore” now doesn’t imply at all that you will think the same if it were to happen to you. ⇒ If you have a living will, be sure to regularly acknowledge or update it.

by yulaow 7y ago

m0xte 7y ago

Also if you do manage to commit suicide no one pays out on life insurance or pension. Best option I think is to start with nothing and end with nothing. The above problem is void then. That fortunate bit in the middle needs to be distributed to your children then if they need it.

lotsofpulp 7y ago
Life insurance should pay after a couple years in the US even for suicide: https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/insurance/life/does-life-insurance-cover-suicide/ https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/insurance/life/does-life-ins...
- m0xte 7y ago
  Not in UK. I checked several policies.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 7y ago
    That second sentence dude. You want some one to talk to? Or need help with something?
    - m0xte 7y ago
      Nah I’m good. Just watched a couple of people suffer unnecessarily for the sake of a life insurance contract. Figured it was worth checking out before I threw the cash into one. Thanks for the concern though :)
- stevespang 7y ago
  Yes, when I trained as an insurance agent many years ago, Texas law said that insurance co only has a 2 year "lookback" period to deny payout in case of suicide or felony crime. Once 2 years passes, they are S-O-L.

eikenberry 7y ago

> you are not in a quality of life threating condition This seems very wrong. IMO few things are worse for quality of life than slowly losing your mind.

Someone 7y ago
In context: “when you have still few effects related to it they can't accept to eutanize you because you are not in a quality of life threating condition” All people over 75 (and, probably, way earlier) are slowly losing their mind. Early stage dementia isn’t that different from ‘just’ aging in that. The ethical dilemma with living wills is that they always state a past opinion. It also is well-known from various studies that opinions on when you deem your life worth it shift tremendously over time. With dementia, locked-in syndrome, etc, that’s a catch-22, as there’s no way to ask you about your opinion, or even to know whether there is someone to have an opinion anymore. So, that you say “If I get wheelchair-bound/bedridden/don’t know my name anymore, I don’t want to live anymore” now doesn’t imply at all that you will think the same if it were to happen to you. ⇒ If you have a living will, be sure to regularly acknowledge or update it.