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> Common folk are barely recovered from the recession. By what measure?

sp332 7y ago
% change in real mean wealth. https://psmag.com/economics/wealth-inequality-and-the-great-recession https://psmag.com/economics/wealth-inequality-and-the-great-...
- Domenic_S 7y ago
  When you measure wealth as including home equity, as this article does, this is bound to happen in 2007. I'm not sure it tells us anything meaningful except that home prices were way out of whack and for many people their home is a substantial % of their wealth.
  - dole 7y ago
    Why wouldn't you include home equity into wealth? Perceptible gap widening since 2007: https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/a-guide-to-statistics-on-historical-trends-in-income-inequality https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/a-guide...
    - Domenic_S 7y ago
      Because housing prices were in a bubble fueled by fraud.
      - MisterBastahrd 7y ago
        Did people magically get their mortgages reduced because of the fraud? If not, then it doesn't matter why the prices were the way they were.
        Domenic_S 7y ago
        Many did, yes. I personally know a couple people who had their mortgages recalculated to be more in line with the corrected values. It was all over the news at the time. But by that point more people stopped paying completely and got foreclosed, or declared bankruptcy. My point is that it’s logically inconsistent to say on one hand, the banks are to blame, it was all fraud, it was a fraudulent bubble caused by greedy banks, etc — and on the other hand say, look at all this wealth that was destroyed, because the wealth itself was caused by the bubble. To clarify, I’m talking about “wealth” that is equity caused by home value appreciation, not caused by paying a lot into the mortgage. Remember that most of the distressed assets were subprime (0-down, no doc, etc) loans — the sales pitch at the time was, put nothing down, and in a year your homes appreciation will make it like you put 20% down. The gains that analyses like the link above count as “wealth” were all smoke an mirrors.
ok_coo 7y ago
(Unless you've switched jobs for a pay bump) Meager pay increases outpaced by housing, medical and insurance increases?

% change in real mean wealth. https://psmag.com/economics/wealth-inequality-and-the-great-recession https://psmag.com/economics/wealth-inequality-and-the-great-...

Domenic_S 7y ago
When you measure wealth as including home equity, as this article does, this is bound to happen in 2007. I'm not sure it tells us anything meaningful except that home prices were way out of whack and for many people their home is a substantial % of their wealth.
- dole 7y ago
  Why wouldn't you include home equity into wealth? Perceptible gap widening since 2007: https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/a-guide-to-statistics-on-historical-trends-in-income-inequality https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/a-guide...
  - Domenic_S 7y ago
    Because housing prices were in a bubble fueled by fraud.
    - MisterBastahrd 7y ago
      Did people magically get their mortgages reduced because of the fraud? If not, then it doesn't matter why the prices were the way they were.
      - Domenic_S 7y ago
        Many did, yes. I personally know a couple people who had their mortgages recalculated to be more in line with the corrected values. It was all over the news at the time. But by that point more people stopped paying completely and got foreclosed, or declared bankruptcy. My point is that it’s logically inconsistent to say on one hand, the banks are to blame, it was all fraud, it was a fraudulent bubble caused by greedy banks, etc — and on the other hand say, look at all this wealth that was destroyed, because the wealth itself was caused by the bubble. To clarify, I’m talking about “wealth” that is equity caused by home value appreciation, not caused by paying a lot into the mortgage. Remember that most of the distressed assets were subprime (0-down, no doc, etc) loans — the sales pitch at the time was, put nothing down, and in a year your homes appreciation will make it like you put 20% down. The gains that analyses like the link above count as “wealth” were all smoke an mirrors.

ok_coo 7y ago

(Unless you've switched jobs for a pay bump) Meager pay increases outpaced by housing, medical and insurance increases?