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But by contrast, the UK and it’s NHS has almost half the rate of the US.

arprocter 7y ago
Also UK minimum wage is £8.21 for folks 25 and older
are-you-sure 7y ago
Where are you getting your facts from? The UK has a higher than global average, with some demographics tragically high. UK – 11.2 per 100,000 people – in 2018 (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/03/suicides-rates-in-uk-increase-to-highest-level-since-2002 https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/03/suicides-rat... & https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2018registrations#suicides-in-the-uk https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...). I think the UK's Office of National Statistics is a better source of information that Wikipedia. UBI is a great idea. Unfortunately, minimum wage now usually means "in work" poverty, that's not a good thing. edit: @0000011111, I think income inequality could certainly be a driver.
- claudeganon 7y ago
  This was my off the 2016 WHO numbers, 13.7 per 100K in the US vs 7.6 per 100K in the UK: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide... But your correct that we should probably go by the individual countries’ statistics, where the UK is slightly above the average compared to other developed countries and the US a good amount above it.
- DanBC 7y ago
  The UK counts suicide deaths differently to the US, and it's likely the the UK over counts while the US under counts. I agree that the ONS is a better source of information than Wikipedia. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2014registrations#methodological-changes https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... Here's the old definition: > The previous National Statistics definition of suicide includes deaths from intentional self-harm (where a coroner has given a suicide conclusion or made it clear in the narrative conclusion that the deceased intended to kill themselves) and events of undetermined intent (mainly deaths where a coroner has given an open conclusion) in people aged 15 and over. It's this "events of undetermined intent" part that is different. In the US (and I guess many other places" those deaths are not counted as suicide. The US uses this definition: > Death caused by self-directed injurious behavior with an intent to die as a result of the behavior

Also UK minimum wage is £8.21 for folks 25 and older

Where are you getting your facts from? The UK has a higher than global average, with some demographics tragically high. UK – 11.2 per 100,000 people – in 2018 (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/03/suicides-rates-in-uk-increase-to-highest-level-since-2002 https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/03/suicides-rat... & https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2018registrations#suicides-in-the-uk https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde...). I think the UK's Office of National Statistics is a better source of information that Wikipedia. UBI is a great idea. Unfortunately, minimum wage now usually means "in work" poverty, that's not a good thing. edit: @0000011111, I think income inequality could certainly be a driver.

claudeganon 7y ago
This was my off the 2016 WHO numbers, 13.7 per 100K in the US vs 7.6 per 100K in the UK: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide... But your correct that we should probably go by the individual countries’ statistics, where the UK is slightly above the average compared to other developed countries and the US a good amount above it.
DanBC 7y ago
The UK counts suicide deaths differently to the US, and it's likely the the UK over counts while the US under counts. I agree that the ONS is a better source of information than Wikipedia. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/suicidesintheunitedkingdom/2014registrations#methodological-changes https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... Here's the old definition: > The previous National Statistics definition of suicide includes deaths from intentional self-harm (where a coroner has given a suicide conclusion or made it clear in the narrative conclusion that the deceased intended to kill themselves) and events of undetermined intent (mainly deaths where a coroner has given an open conclusion) in people aged 15 and over. It's this "events of undetermined intent" part that is different. In the US (and I guess many other places" those deaths are not counted as suicide. The US uses this definition: > Death caused by self-directed injurious behavior with an intent to die as a result of the behavior