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My neighbor, across the street, has a Ring camera aimed directly at my house, since that is where their front door faces. What is my recourse for preventing my

My neighbor, across the street, has a Ring camera aimed directly at my house, since that is where their front door faces. What is my recourse for preventing my private property from being recorded?

forkerenok 7y ago
There was a post about WiFi deauth attack against Ring devices: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21889837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21889837 Disclaimer: This is not an invitation to do such a thing. Be mindful of laws in your jurisdiction and ethics of this.
hooande 7y ago
You have none. a tv crew could set up outside your house and record indefinitely. or even go through your trash. People are allowed to record public spaces. It's just bad behavior and the consequences are social
- ChuckNorris89 7y ago
  Sounds super illegal and not GDPR compliant. You're not allowed to tape my private property without my consent. At least in Europe.
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  - jahlove 7y ago
    OP lives in the US.
jethro_tell 7y ago
grow trees? not really much else and it kinda sucks. The same goes for cameras in businesses, you walk into a coffee shop and they have 15 cameras, and all the transactions are cc so there's like nothing to steal? But it's pervasive, everywhere has cameras and it's just a thing that happened without much thought. Most of them are being uploaded these days too.
ChuckNorris89 7y ago
Where do you live? In some European countries you need a license for surveillance cameras as in you're not allowed to record public spaces, only your private property must be in frame and for this you need a license. Otherwise you face significant fines. GDPR is on your side here as well. I had to consent to the surveillance cameras when I joined my local gym. Also at our workplace we had to consent to being taped by the main entry surveillance cameras and the company is not allowed to view the footage, like for performance reviews :), unless a theft or crime has occured.
- gjs278 7y ago
  europe is literally filled with cameras to the brim
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draw_down 7y ago
Hedgerows :)
awinter-py 7y ago
https://shop.ring.com/pages/privacy https://shop.ring.com/pages/privacy > At the core of Ring, and guiding every action we take, is respect for the privacy and security of our neighbors > Nobody can view your video recordings unless you allow it Sounds pretty straightforward. Send Ring's legal dept a letter telling them you don't allow it (privacy@ring.com, then certified mail when they ignore you the first time).
JohnFen 7y ago
> What is my recourse for preventing my private property from being recorded? Either put up a visual barrier or move. This sort of thing is why I consider products like Ring to be terrible and highly antisocial. I would avoid even going into a neighborhood that had many of these installed, let alone live in one. Also, am I the only one who thinks that the prevalence of these devices in a neighborhood is a very strong indicator that the neighborhood is sketchy -- either it has a lot of crime, or it has a lot of very paranoid people.
- Kocrachon 7y ago
  What's the big deal if it's ring, or me with a bunch of chinese-made POE cameras and blue iris as a local server? shouldn't people have the right to set up surveillance on their own house for protection and deterrence? saying people are paranoid for having cameras is ridiculous, people also have security systems. It's a deterrent and doesn't necessarily mean high crime. if you live in Major City like I have my whole life, it's just a fact of life that you're going to want stuff like this.
  - JohnFen 7y ago
    > What's the big deal if it's ring, or me with a bunch of chinese-made POE cameras and blue iris as a local server? If it's just you with a local server, then I only have to worry about you. If it's going to someone else's server, then I have to worry about them as well. And in the case of Ring specifically, that someone else is Amazon -- which is even more concerning. > shouldn't people have the right to set up surveillance on their own house for protection and deterrence? Sure, I never said otherwise. I have a surveillance system myself (on my own local servers), but I take great pains to ensure that no cameras are capturing anything that isn't my property. > It's a deterrent and doesn't necessarily mean high crime. I never said that it automatically means a high crime area. It's just highly suggestive of it. If it's a low crime area, far fewer people would feel the need for this sort of thing. > if you live in Major City like I have my whole life, it's just a fact of life that you're going to want stuff like this. No, it's not. I've lived in a number of major cities, and have never felt the need to point cameras at my neighbor's houses or the street.
AWildC182 7y ago
Find a 5mw near-infrared laser and aim it at the camera across the street
- sp332 7y ago
  Seems like overkill, and potentially harmful (if someone gets their eye in the way of the beam, or even a pretty good reflection of the beam).
rb808 7y ago
Depends on your location. NY has some laws now. As expected Europe is strict, here is UK guidance. https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/domestic-cctv-systems-guidance-for-people-using-cctv/ https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/domestic-cctv-systems-g...
dmitrygr 7y ago
Personally, i'd use one of these https://www.wickedlasers.com/arctic https://www.wickedlasers.com/arctic to resolve the issue aim well :)
godshatter 7y ago
Put up a fence.

My neighbor, across the street, has a Ring camera aimed directly at my house, since that is where their front door faces. What is my recourse for preventing my private property from being recorded?

forkerenok 7y ago

There was a post about WiFi deauth attack against Ring devices: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21889837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21889837 Disclaimer: This is not an invitation to do such a thing. Be mindful of laws in your jurisdiction and ethics of this.

hooande 7y ago

You have none. a tv crew could set up outside your house and record indefinitely. or even go through your trash. People are allowed to record public spaces. It's just bad behavior and the consequences are social

ChuckNorris89 7y ago
Sounds super illegal and not GDPR compliant. You're not allowed to tape my private property without my consent. At least in Europe.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- jahlove 7y ago
  OP lives in the US.

jethro_tell 7y ago

grow trees? not really much else and it kinda sucks. The same goes for cameras in businesses, you walk into a coffee shop and they have 15 cameras, and all the transactions are cc so there's like nothing to steal? But it's pervasive, everywhere has cameras and it's just a thing that happened without much thought. Most of them are being uploaded these days too.

ChuckNorris89 7y ago

Where do you live? In some European countries you need a license for surveillance cameras as in you're not allowed to record public spaces, only your private property must be in frame and for this you need a license. Otherwise you face significant fines. GDPR is on your side here as well. I had to consent to the surveillance cameras when I joined my local gym. Also at our workplace we had to consent to being taped by the main entry surveillance cameras and the company is not allowed to view the footage, like for performance reviews :), unless a theft or crime has occured.

gjs278 7y ago
europe is literally filled with cameras to the brim

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draw_down 7y ago

Hedgerows :)

awinter-py 7y ago

https://shop.ring.com/pages/privacy https://shop.ring.com/pages/privacy > At the core of Ring, and guiding every action we take, is respect for the privacy and security of our neighbors > Nobody can view your video recordings unless you allow it Sounds pretty straightforward. Send Ring's legal dept a letter telling them you don't allow it (privacy@ring.com, then certified mail when they ignore you the first time).

JohnFen 7y ago

> What is my recourse for preventing my private property from being recorded? Either put up a visual barrier or move. This sort of thing is why I consider products like Ring to be terrible and highly antisocial. I would avoid even going into a neighborhood that had many of these installed, let alone live in one. Also, am I the only one who thinks that the prevalence of these devices in a neighborhood is a very strong indicator that the neighborhood is sketchy -- either it has a lot of crime, or it has a lot of very paranoid people.

Kocrachon 7y ago
What's the big deal if it's ring, or me with a bunch of chinese-made POE cameras and blue iris as a local server? shouldn't people have the right to set up surveillance on their own house for protection and deterrence? saying people are paranoid for having cameras is ridiculous, people also have security systems. It's a deterrent and doesn't necessarily mean high crime. if you live in Major City like I have my whole life, it's just a fact of life that you're going to want stuff like this.
- JohnFen 7y ago
  > What's the big deal if it's ring, or me with a bunch of chinese-made POE cameras and blue iris as a local server? If it's just you with a local server, then I only have to worry about you. If it's going to someone else's server, then I have to worry about them as well. And in the case of Ring specifically, that someone else is Amazon -- which is even more concerning. > shouldn't people have the right to set up surveillance on their own house for protection and deterrence? Sure, I never said otherwise. I have a surveillance system myself (on my own local servers), but I take great pains to ensure that no cameras are capturing anything that isn't my property. > It's a deterrent and doesn't necessarily mean high crime. I never said that it automatically means a high crime area. It's just highly suggestive of it. If it's a low crime area, far fewer people would feel the need for this sort of thing. > if you live in Major City like I have my whole life, it's just a fact of life that you're going to want stuff like this. No, it's not. I've lived in a number of major cities, and have never felt the need to point cameras at my neighbor's houses or the street.

AWildC182 7y ago

Find a 5mw near-infrared laser and aim it at the camera across the street

sp332 7y ago
Seems like overkill, and potentially harmful (if someone gets their eye in the way of the beam, or even a pretty good reflection of the beam).

rb808 7y ago

Depends on your location. NY has some laws now. As expected Europe is strict, here is UK guidance. https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/domestic-cctv-systems-guidance-for-people-using-cctv/ https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/domestic-cctv-systems-g...

dmitrygr 7y ago

Personally, i'd use one of these https://www.wickedlasers.com/arctic https://www.wickedlasers.com/arctic to resolve the issue aim well :)

godshatter 7y ago

Put up a fence.