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Yes and no - you will often see people trivialize or make excuses for harassers even if there is noting on the line for themselves. Nobody is scared of Asimov s
by goto11 7y ago
Yes and no - you will often see people trivialize or make excuses for harassers even if there is noting on the line for themselves. Nobody is scared of Asimov since he is long dead, but just look in this comment section.
- krapp 7y agoSee: Richard Stallman. edit: there is a causal chain between the sexist and racist dimension of early SF/F fandom, the cult of personality around Richard Stallman, and the tolerance for and excusing of sexism and sexual assault in modern tech culture. While I expect to be downvoted for even bringing it up, because it's a live wire of HN identity politics, I hope some people will at least consider that these things are not unrelated.
- goto11 7y ago> While I expect to be downvoted for even bringing it up Regardless of the merit of a comment, I downvote on principle when being baited like this.
- krapp 7y agoYour reaction to "bait" is to always bite the hook on principle? Good to know, I guess.
- ses1984 7y agoThe idea is to discourage users from setting the bait in the first place, it's not great comment etiquette. Just never say you expect to be down voted.
- krapp 7y agoThe idea should be to discourage petty and arbitrary downvoting. That also isn't great comment etiquette, and it's far more corrosive to discourse than discussing downvotes, yet it's encouraged here.
- javajosh 7y agoYou're right, people protect more than their job; they protect their ideologies, too. There's an interesting story about the early Buddhist monks who, while the Buddha was alive, would squabble and fight over "right view". So, even after giving up almost everything, they were still attached! The Buddha, in classic Buddha way, responded by walking into the forest to meditate alone. Personally, I wish we'd all just relax and realize what assholes we ALL are, each and every one. There are no exceptions.
- Psyladine 7y agoI'd go further, people protect their identities, which includes whatever ideologies & personal facets of themselves they've codified. Where one person shrugs when a family member is insulted, another might come to blows to protect an idea of family. It's cultural, economic and political...it's belief.