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"Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support ou
by DarkWiiPlayer 7y ago
"Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism."
It's 2020 and american websites still go the "We'd rather block you alltogether than tell you what we do with your data" route.
- aledalgrande 7y agolol just checked when GDPR was announced... 2016
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- close04 7y agoEven a couple of years before being adopted in 2016, with interested parties being aware that it's coming and an outline of what to expect.
- aledalgrande 7y agoExactly. Not sure why people are downvoting my statement, it seems quite the ample time to come up with a solution.
- tyingq 7y agoBlocking people is a solution. I don't like it either, but if your target audience is solely the US, I can see why you might decide to do that. Edit: Agreed... placating people with lies doesn't help.
- aledalgrande 7y agoTotally makes sense, but if you block just say "we don't serve out of US", don't bullshit with "we are coming up with a solution".
- rtyturtu 7y agoMaybe geolocked sites shouldnt be posted on HN unless OP provides screenshoot or tldr of contet there
- salzig 7y agoI support this thought.
- iso947 7y agoIt’s not obvious if a site is geolocked. I know Bbc is blocked in China from experience, but I wouldn’t expect that others would know. Hacker news is available in China (at least last time I was there).
- Crosseye_Jack 7y agoThe difference between BBC blocked in China and Chicago Tribune blocked in the EU I’m my opinion is CT actively block the EU because they don’t want to deal with the GDPR but China blocking the BBC is a decision outside of the BBC’s control.
- iso947 7y agoBut how do I, as a resident of Brazil, know that CT is blocked in Europe?
- Crosseye_Jack 7y agoI was just comparing the two sites. I'm not saying Geo-Blocked sites should be banned on HN, As I said in another comment, I think the same rule that applies to paywalls should be applied to to sites that geoblock themselves (Not being geoblocked by a goverment which the BBC is in China). If their are workaround for a paywalled site then its allowed on HN. So if their are workaround for the geoblocking (outline, google cache, archive.today, etc)then I think they should be allowed. As for how you will know if a sit is blocked, the same way people find out about soft paywalls, the comments will tell you. Its not like a crime to post paywalled sites to HN.
- moviuro 7y agohttps://outline.com/SysByE https://outline.com/SysByE
- ossworkerrights 7y agoIt’s 2020 and the EU still thinks more bureaucracy is the way to go. I am not entirely sure US websites should necessary spend more to accommodate GDPR, which itself should be revised and made less inconvenient.
- abraae 7y agoWhat do you believe is most inconvenient about GDPR compliance?
- ben174 7y agoFor the user, having a pop up on every single site explaining what a cookie is.
- martin_a 7y agoYou only need those pop-ups if you are using cookies which are not "technical cookies". If you are using tracking technology based on cookies or anything that collects information specific to a user, you will need to show the cookie banner and give an opt-in. Otherwise tracking/analytics is not allowed. So... Every site you see this banner on has some dead bodies in their cellar and wants you to move on and not take a closer look. Just click "Accept all" and everything will be fine...
- gmueckl 7y agoThis is technically correct from a legal point of view. But it's a different story when Google threatens to delist your website for a missing cookie popup.
- DarkWiiPlayer 7y agoSooo... the american megacorporation is a bigger problem than the european buerocrats? Who would have guessed (That's a rethoric question; I would have guessed, as well as most people from outside the USA)
- ben174 7y agoI’m in Europe on vacation, and while GDPR seems to be a good thing, there is nothing more annoying than a cookie policy pop up for every single site you visit. I know what cookies are. I know how they are used. I don’t need a reminder every time I visit a site. I think they way over shot their goal there.
- Y-bar 7y agoThe stupid thing is that GDPR says nothing about requiring those policy pop ups, that law was discontinued (amended) when GDPR took effect. But no requirements for these pop ups remain
- lentil 7y agoIt wasn't discontinued. It was amended to take into account aspects of GDPR, but the rules are very much still in effect. It's covered by PECR. There's a good overview of the rules here: https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-pecr/cookies-and-similar-technologies/ https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-pecr/cookies-a... The main change GDPR brought to it (as I understand it) is that it introduced stricter rules about how consent works. But even though GDPR doesn't specifically require cookie warning, it does require that you get informed consent from people before you store personally identifiable information about them; in many cases this effectively means getting their permission before using tracking cookies. So tl/dr, it's primarily PECR that covers cookie handling, but GDPR also plays a role.
- andrepd 7y agoIt's training people to ignore those altogether and click "allow" on everything out of frustration. They should have gone with a strategy focused on browser controls. Mandating browsers block 3rd party cookies by default, for example, with explicit opt in.
- DarkWiiPlayer 7y agoYou don't need cookie banners; they're only mandatory when you want to track your users, so when you see one of those on every website, it just means every website wants to track you. Also, if people are trained to just click them away, that's not really that bad, since tracking has to be opt-in, so if you click the banner away, you don't get tracked by default (that is, in theory; the reality is, many websites disregard this completely and have tracking cookies enabled by default)
- Hermel 7y agoApparently, compliance with GDPR is not worth the hassle for websites that target a non-European audience.
- tjoff 7y agoYeah, the burden of not exploiting their users really is a huge undertaking.
- Hermel 7y agoIt’s certainly much cheaper to simply block European users than to pay a lawyer to tell you what you need to change and then pay a programmer to implement these changes. Blocking the few European users is probably the right decision from an economic perspective.
- nannal 7y agoThen I'm going to vote with my European wallet and commit not to visit sites that block me. Let's see just how much they like that.
- deaps 7y agoThat'll show 'em
- pingyong 7y agoThey literally intentionally blocked you... that's kinda what they expect to happen lol.
- DarkWiiPlayer 7y agoWooooosh... (That was the sound of the joke going over your head)
- unknown_library 7y agoGDPR adds a lot of regulatory red tape to things that were previously simple. It is not only for nefarious reasons that you might want to avoid GDPR. Want to store logs? Now you need to make sure you're scrubbing any type of personal information from the logs. Want to use a third-party service? Now you need to make sure that you are using their GDPR-compliant plan, and that you are using their Amsterdam endpoints. Maybe you need to renegotiate your contract with them.
- swebs 7y agohttp://archive.is/LjNKy http://archive.is/LjNKy
- OnlineCourage 7y agoWhy would you want to attack an American newspaper which actually pays journalists to research and present stories for free in a time when the US media is full of horrible paid propaganda? Journalists are being murdered around the world right now, Facebook and large tech conglomerates are destroying Western journalism yet you are upset because an old school newspaper does not "comply with your law?" Fuck your European arrogance, you can keep your views...they owe you nothing. Pay for a subscription, then you can complain.
- Archit3ch 7y ago> "Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries." - Lawmakers are happy that the company complies with regulations. - Website builders are happy because they don't need to spend extra effort for no extra profit. - End users are happy that their data isn't being harvested. - The company is happy because they are complying with regulations at no extra cost. Seems like a huge win for everyone involved. /s