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That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. If you see someone doing something wrong, call them out. Like this article does. Otherwise they wi
by reagent_finder 7y ago
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
If you see someone doing something wrong, call them out. Like this article does. Otherwise they will simply keep doing it.
If you have a problem with someone not getting called out, call them out. Otherwise you are simply protesting the act of calling out because you're afraid to do so yourself.
- javajosh 7y ago>If you see someone doing something wrong, call them out. Like this article does. Otherwise they will simply keep doing it. Yes, thank God: this article (and the outrage it creates) will save young women from being groped by Asimov's corpse.
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- RobertRoberts 7y agoMob justice benefits no one in the long run. Hypocritical mob justice is the worst of it's kind. It simultaneously enrages one side against another while claiming it's actions are justified by it's own group, but no other group can act the same. The accused should be taken to court. But mobs don't like court, they want a lynching.
- eesmith 7y agoMob-whitewashing, to coin a term, is also terrible. We cannot seriously talk about Columbus-the-brave-explorer without also talking about his acts of slavery and genocide. We cannot take Asimov to court. We cannot take Columbus to court. But we can talk about them as real people, and look at their entire history, rather than as a single facet of their lives.
- RobertRoberts 7y agoIt seems we have two separate issues. Mob justice against the living vs the dead. Mobs are still mobs. It's socially justified insanity. They will remove Asimov books from libraries now, just wait. If we did the same for every author there would zero books left except propaganda from the controlling mob. Asimov is obviously wrong, but mobs don't want a reasonable solution, they want blood.
- krapp 7y ago>They will remove Asimov books from libraries now, just wait. If we did the same for every author there would zero books left except propaganda from the controlling mob. They're going to remove all of Asimov's books from libraries now because someone wrote an article about his behavior, despite that behavior being known about for decades, and not exactly uncommon within the community? Please stop with the pearl-clutching concern trolling. There's no "propaganda from the controlling mob," no one is out for blood, no one is burning books en masse because mob justice.
- cousin_it 7y agoI'll never forget how, when MIT removed Walter Lewin's widely loved lectures after undisclosed accusations, people on HN were agreeing with that decision because "hitting a physicist right in his legacy" is apparently the best way to teach him.
- krapp 7y agoSorry, I'm not made of straw, your attempt to expose what you believe to be my hypocrisy and secret book-burning agenda has failed.
- eesmith 7y agoWell, that was ignorant of those HN readers. It's not like Lewin couldn't host his own lectures. Like on his YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiEHVhv0SBMpP75JbzJShqw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiEHVhv0SBMpP75JbzJShqw , where you can watch them right now. When you write "undisclosed accusations", you mean that in addition to the disclosed ones, right? https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/01/23/complainant-unprecedented-walter-lewin-sexual-harassment-case-comes-forward https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/01/23/complainant-u... describes Faïza Harbi's accusations. > It would take almost a year before Harbi, with the help of MIT’s investigators, said she came to understand that Lewin’s interest in her was not motivated by empathy, and that their first conversations included inappropriate language. Shortly after contacting her, Harbi said, Lewin quickly moved their friendship into uncomfortable territory, and she was pushed to participate in online sexual role-playing and send naked pictures and videos of herself. After about 10 months, Harbi said, she resumed self-mutilating after seven years of not doing so.
- whack 7y agoHow on earth would you take a dead man to court? And how do you take someone to court for "being an asshole"? If you knew someone who is constantly doing extremely shady things, like screwing over their business partners or repeatedly cheating on their spouses, there's no way to "take someone to court" on those counts. Does that mean their shady dealings should never be exposed?
- RobertRoberts 7y agoHow do you get justice by accusing those that can't respond? True justice requires a defence, even if you don't like it.
- 0x445442 7y ago> If you see someone doing something wrong I think it's here where you may get hoisted on your own petard and that's the price society pays for moral relativism... Case in point, these days one who thinks abortion is obviously wrong is more likely to be scorned for calling it out than those they're calling out. One can't sanely wish for, while at the same time deny the existence of absolute truth.
- oblio 7y agoPro-abortion people generally don't argue that abortion means ending a life. They argue that women should have the same control over their bodies that men enjoy (i.e. almost total control).
- RobertRoberts 7y agoDave Chapelle had what seems like the proper response to this: "If you [women] have the right to kill it, men should have the right to abandon it." Seems fair to me. Though I think murder is horrific.