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> I however stand by my words that most React/Vue/Angular front-end developers in most companies are absolutely unnecessary and are actively detrimental to the

> I however stand by my words that most React/Vue/Angular front-end developers in most companies are absolutely unnecessary and are actively detrimental to the project by introducing complexity to justify their position. I strongly disagree; most of the projects that I worked on a decade ago that lasted more than a few months ended up with ad-hoc frameworks or conventions implemented in vanilla JS or jQuery that varied wildly in quality and changed frequently through the lifespan of the project. In my experience React/Vue/Angular with their generally well engineered and thought-out principles have resulted in a huge boon for productivity for long term projects in a team environment. > Most projects do not have any requirements like real-time UIs Whose "most projects" are we talking about here? Yours?

Nextgrid 7y ago
> Whose "most projects" are we talking about here? Go on a job board, search for React/Vue/Your-Favorite-SPA-framework, go to their website and then see if there are any features that would actually justify an SPA. Some examples: the Airbnb website, the New Reddit, etc.
- true_religion 7y ago
  I would use reddit as a counter example. Sure some the new features could be built without an SPA, but it would be much harder to do so. They have a full wysgi for theming built in, a real time chat app, a video sharing app, multiple messaging platforms, and methods of bundling multiple subreddits together. They added all this really fast, due to the nature of the platform being an SPA. I have the same issue at work. Any given feature in isolation could be done simply as a jQuery plugin, but together the only way to make it seamless is an SPA.
  - Nextgrid 7y ago
    Did you not compare how much faster & more usable their old platform is compared to the new one? The new one is painful to use.
    - true_religion 7y ago
      It used to be true. Their first few months of the SPA was really rough on the UX front, but it really improved since then. They have a good design staff, but there was so many minor decisions made over the years that no knew exactly what was a necessary feature of the UI and what was just fluff. They needed some real world testing to get a better design.
brylie 7y ago
Relatedly: If we don't adopt a framework we end up building one - increasingly of a patchwork of pieces fitting a bit roughly together.

Nextgrid 7y ago

> Whose "most projects" are we talking about here? Go on a job board, search for React/Vue/Your-Favorite-SPA-framework, go to their website and then see if there are any features that would actually justify an SPA. Some examples: the Airbnb website, the New Reddit, etc.

true_religion 7y ago
I would use reddit as a counter example. Sure some the new features could be built without an SPA, but it would be much harder to do so. They have a full wysgi for theming built in, a real time chat app, a video sharing app, multiple messaging platforms, and methods of bundling multiple subreddits together. They added all this really fast, due to the nature of the platform being an SPA. I have the same issue at work. Any given feature in isolation could be done simply as a jQuery plugin, but together the only way to make it seamless is an SPA.
- Nextgrid 7y ago
  Did you not compare how much faster & more usable their old platform is compared to the new one? The new one is painful to use.
  - true_religion 7y ago
    It used to be true. Their first few months of the SPA was really rough on the UX front, but it really improved since then. They have a good design staff, but there was so many minor decisions made over the years that no knew exactly what was a necessary feature of the UI and what was just fluff. They needed some real world testing to get a better design.

brylie 7y ago

Relatedly: If we don't adopt a framework we end up building one - increasingly of a patchwork of pieces fitting a bit roughly together.