3 ms·

Not sure why this is downvoted, it's true. Go try and post a hike to one of the CO subreddits (/r/colorado, /r/denver, etc) and if you post a location for anyt

Not sure why this is downvoted, it's true. Go try and post a hike to one of the CO subreddits (/r/colorado, /r/denver, etc) and if you post a location for anything other than the super common hikes with your photo you'll immediately eat a huge wave of downvotes. With the explosion of backcountry skiing, the apps crowdsourcing spots have drawn a lot of ire from the locals as well. While I don't like the elitism, I can appreciate the fact that it challenges you to do your own scouting and find your own cool places.

ghaff 7y ago
There's one canyon in Death Valley that's like that. I think you can actually find its location online these days but it's not even included in the two massive tomes that are pretty much the bible of death valley hiking.
wcarron 7y ago
I find myself on the opposing side of this debate. I am fine with hiding local gems from the frothing online masses. I don't want to one day go on a favored hike of mine, which has always been deserted and hard to get to, only to find it swamped with gumbies because someone posted it online. I would especially resent it if I were to find that the newcomers were all tourists or out-of-towners. Locals put time, money, and effort into outdoor locals and communities, often in the form of trail or crag restoration/cleanup days. It is completely understandable that they don't want to see, for example, their favorite "hidden" trails ruined from the impact of a 10x increase in traffic and the associated littering, defecating, urinating, drones, off-leash dogs, loud children, etc. Locals deserve to reap the rewards of their efforts. Give to Caesar what is Caesar's. I, personally, have found some boulders that I cleaned and developed for bouldering. Never in my life will I put their location on mountainproject or a similar crowd-sourcing site. The risk for idiots blasting music or littering is too great. Is it elitist? Yes. I think this is an issue where elitism is fine.
- zebnyc 7y ago
  "Elitism is bad unless it is my brand of elitism". Isn't this your own version of NIMBYism. Is it safe to assume from your comments that you have never traveled to exprience the great outdoors in your life?
  - wcarron 7y ago
    I never denied that it was NIMBY-ish or elitist. I get it. It's elitist and its exclusive. But shit, I've put in effort and my own time,sweat,gas money, etc. to improve and maintain trails and crags. I don't like it all getting wrecked by inconsiderate jerks who litter. Furthermore, elitism regarding hiding local trails from crowd-sourcing sites is vastly different than, oh idk, elitism about college applicant acceptance or some such. As for traveling to experience the outdoors, you are so far off the mark that it's not even funny. I've been to and hiked/backpacked/camped in, uhh hold on while I count... 16 different national parks and monuments, 7 state parks, 2 national preserves, and 8 national forests across 6 states, and that's just in the past 3 years. I've climbed in Bishop, Josh, Yos, Red rocks, Tahoe, Squish, "the Creek", NRG, and the Gunks, among many other smaller crags. Why would you even make the assumption I've never traveled?

ghaff 7y ago

There's one canyon in Death Valley that's like that. I think you can actually find its location online these days but it's not even included in the two massive tomes that are pretty much the bible of death valley hiking.

wcarron 7y ago

I find myself on the opposing side of this debate. I am fine with hiding local gems from the frothing online masses. I don't want to one day go on a favored hike of mine, which has always been deserted and hard to get to, only to find it swamped with gumbies because someone posted it online. I would especially resent it if I were to find that the newcomers were all tourists or out-of-towners. Locals put time, money, and effort into outdoor locals and communities, often in the form of trail or crag restoration/cleanup days. It is completely understandable that they don't want to see, for example, their favorite "hidden" trails ruined from the impact of a 10x increase in traffic and the associated littering, defecating, urinating, drones, off-leash dogs, loud children, etc. Locals deserve to reap the rewards of their efforts. Give to Caesar what is Caesar's. I, personally, have found some boulders that I cleaned and developed for bouldering. Never in my life will I put their location on mountainproject or a similar crowd-sourcing site. The risk for idiots blasting music or littering is too great. Is it elitist? Yes. I think this is an issue where elitism is fine.

zebnyc 7y ago
"Elitism is bad unless it is my brand of elitism". Isn't this your own version of NIMBYism. Is it safe to assume from your comments that you have never traveled to exprience the great outdoors in your life?
- wcarron 7y ago
  I never denied that it was NIMBY-ish or elitist. I get it. It's elitist and its exclusive. But shit, I've put in effort and my own time,sweat,gas money, etc. to improve and maintain trails and crags. I don't like it all getting wrecked by inconsiderate jerks who litter. Furthermore, elitism regarding hiding local trails from crowd-sourcing sites is vastly different than, oh idk, elitism about college applicant acceptance or some such. As for traveling to experience the outdoors, you are so far off the mark that it's not even funny. I've been to and hiked/backpacked/camped in, uhh hold on while I count... 16 different national parks and monuments, 7 state parks, 2 national preserves, and 8 national forests across 6 states, and that's just in the past 3 years. I've climbed in Bishop, Josh, Yos, Red rocks, Tahoe, Squish, "the Creek", NRG, and the Gunks, among many other smaller crags. Why would you even make the assumption I've never traveled?