JVM & CLR are an interesting counterpoint. I'm not sure I agree, but that's interesting to think about. I disagree a bit with commercial Common Lisps. It's b

JVM & CLR are an interesting counterpoint. I'm not sure I agree, but that's interesting to think about. I disagree a bit with commercial Common Lisps. It's been a while since I used one (Allegro, Lucid), but I never felt they were full-stack integrated in the way that Genera was. Maybe though that's just nostalgia 25 years down the line and I'm remember that it "wasn't Genera". They were a fine environment to work in. Smalltalk...I think you got me there. There were/are some very nicely integrated Smalltalk environments. Good point.