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And it's not remotely unheard-of for the FBI to execute that in the form of an escalated no-knock raid. Paul Manafort is one example that immediately comes to m

And it's not remotely unheard-of for the FBI to execute that in the form of an escalated no-knock raid. Paul Manafort is one example that immediately comes to mind, and his was in the middle of the night IIRC.

DoofusOfDeath 7y ago
I have a mischievous fantasy for situations where police use illegally excessive force for no-knock warrants. It involves some combination of: - A highly reinforced front door, and bulletproof windows. - Just inside the front door, a floor that's in the middle of being mopped with very slippery soap. - Copious amounts of glitter and shaving cream. (I'm still working out the details.) Note: I recognize that most police perform dangerous and necessary work. My fantasy only applies to police committing criminal acts.
- orhmeh09 7y ago
  I could picture this being used to tack on several more charges... Note: policing isn’t that dangerous, and the way it used in practice in the US, it’s only necessary for enforcing property law and protecting people who own/run things. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-dangerous-is-police-w_b_6373798 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-dangerous-is-police-w_b_6...
  - DoofusOfDeath 7y ago
    > I could picture this being used to tack on several more charges... For sure. There are lots of reason to keep this in the realm of "mischievous fantasy".
- ryanmarsh 7y ago
  Everyday household tripping hazards will do.
- burfog 7y ago
  Maybe the inhabitant only weighs 80 pounds, and that is all the floor is capable of supporting. The basement holds a large collection of glass containers holding venomous animals.
  - o-__-o 7y ago
    Your house would be condemned and you would be civilly and criminally liable for any injuries the officers may have. The joists need to support 40 pounds of pressure per square foot in habitable rooms, 10 in non-habitable rooms (e.g. an attic)
- meddlepal 7y ago
  Boobytraps are illegal. Have fun with that in court.
mikeyouse 7y ago
> Paul Manafort is one example that immediately comes to mind, and his was in the middle of the night IIRC. Nah, that story was just propaganda to make people feel sorry for a dude who evaded like $20M in taxes by offering political services to corrupt governments and oligarchs. You need special permission from a judge to do a 'no-knock' raid or a night one. (First page here clearly shows it was a daytime search warrant: https://www.emptywheel.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/180626-Manafort-Search-Warrant-.pdf https://www.emptywheel.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/180626...) The FBI knocked repeatedly, and then used a previously provided key to access Manafort's condo sometime after 6am, which is early but still after dawn in Virginia in August so even the "pre-dawn raid" people were wrong. https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/manafort-trial/h_dfb67c68bae53ab1e2aa7950e22c148a https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/manafort-trial/h_dfb6...

DoofusOfDeath 7y ago

I have a mischievous fantasy for situations where police use illegally excessive force for no-knock warrants. It involves some combination of: - A highly reinforced front door, and bulletproof windows. - Just inside the front door, a floor that's in the middle of being mopped with very slippery soap. - Copious amounts of glitter and shaving cream. (I'm still working out the details.) Note: I recognize that most police perform dangerous and necessary work. My fantasy only applies to police committing criminal acts.

orhmeh09 7y ago
I could picture this being used to tack on several more charges... Note: policing isn’t that dangerous, and the way it used in practice in the US, it’s only necessary for enforcing property law and protecting people who own/run things. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-dangerous-is-police-w_b_6373798 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-dangerous-is-police-w_b_6...
- DoofusOfDeath 7y ago
  > I could picture this being used to tack on several more charges... For sure. There are lots of reason to keep this in the realm of "mischievous fantasy".
ryanmarsh 7y ago
Everyday household tripping hazards will do.
burfog 7y ago
Maybe the inhabitant only weighs 80 pounds, and that is all the floor is capable of supporting. The basement holds a large collection of glass containers holding venomous animals.
- o-__-o 7y ago
  Your house would be condemned and you would be civilly and criminally liable for any injuries the officers may have. The joists need to support 40 pounds of pressure per square foot in habitable rooms, 10 in non-habitable rooms (e.g. an attic)
meddlepal 7y ago
Boobytraps are illegal. Have fun with that in court.

mikeyouse 7y ago

> Paul Manafort is one example that immediately comes to mind, and his was in the middle of the night IIRC. Nah, that story was just propaganda to make people feel sorry for a dude who evaded like $20M in taxes by offering political services to corrupt governments and oligarchs. You need special permission from a judge to do a 'no-knock' raid or a night one. (First page here clearly shows it was a daytime search warrant: https://www.emptywheel.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/180626-Manafort-Search-Warrant-.pdf https://www.emptywheel.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/180626...) The FBI knocked repeatedly, and then used a previously provided key to access Manafort's condo sometime after 6am, which is early but still after dawn in Virginia in August so even the "pre-dawn raid" people were wrong. https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/manafort-trial/h_dfb67c68bae53ab1e2aa7950e22c148a https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/manafort-trial/h_dfb6...