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Well for 10 years I think the search results have only marginally gotten better. Besides, 10 years ago, what google was doing was revolutionary. No other search

by barista 16y ago

Well for 10 years I think the search results have only marginally gotten better. Besides, 10 years ago, what google was doing was revolutionary. No other search engine had such vast coverage or better intent determination. Now the competitionn is intense, Bing is almost as good as Google if not better in some scenarios, other guys are blekko are coming up with different approach (and have a better way to handle spam by avoiding it completely). I think Google is spreading itself too thin. Search is what they do the best and its their bread and butter. They should stay focused on it. Google is too engrossed in thinking about generating more ad dollars rather than making their core technology better.

bad_user 16y ago
Bing is almost as good as Google It's easier to be a follower (or ahem, copy search results). Also if I'm going to switch away from Google it must be something truly better (like the difference I experienced when trying out Google after using Altavista). and have a better way to handle spam by avoiding it completely I like Blekko, but avoiding spam is an impossible dream. If there are search engines (or any filtering method, automatic or based on peer reviews) out there with less spam, that's because right now only Google matters. The only way to fight it is to be a moving target, which is what Google is doing. Unfortunately spammers are also very creative, so it's a tough battle.
- barista 16y ago
  Re: bing copying Google, it has already been profusely discussed all over the internet and has been shown as nothing more than a PR stunt by Google folks to avoid discussing spam Re: fighting spam, its a tough problem indeed but so was indexing the ever expanding web. Both Bing and Google seem to have solved the indexing problem fairly well by now. The issue with the the spam problem is not so much of how difficult it is to solve but the motivation. Clearly the spam generates a lot of cash for Google (and some for bing too) so they are less likely to be motivated to solve it. Smartest of the minds are at work at Google so I find it hard to believe that they cannot solve it (or even make a very good attempt at it). It's their intent to not solve it and that's the reason I think they are trying to avoid discussing it.
  - WalterGR 16y ago
    Re: bing copying Google, it has already been profusely discussed all over the internet and has been shown as nothing more than a PR stunt by Google folks to avoid discussing spam I'm assuming the downvotes are because of that part. I keep seeing the argument that "Microsoft didn't answer all of Google's claims," but no supporting evidence. If anyone has some, I'd be curious to see it. (This is a legitimate request: I haven't been keeping score.)
    - Matt_Cutts 16y ago
      At the risk of beating a dead horse, I'll try to summarize. Google believed that queries and clicks on Google search results were being used in Bing's ranking, so we ran an experiment. The experiment confirmed that clicks on Google search results are used by Microsoft in Bing's search rankings. Things we don't know include: - the degree to which those clicks are used in Bing's rankings. - whether MSFT does Google-specific processing of the clickstream data they get, or whether clicks on Google are treated the same as some-random-website.com. - how long clicks on Google search results have been used in Bing's ranking (months, years, etc.). Those are open questions that Microsoft could best answer.
      - WalterGR 16y ago
        Thanks for the reply, Matt. Google believed that queries and clicks on Google search results were being used in Bing's ranking I thought it was the search results that Google accused Microsoft of stealing. I guess I need to go refresh my memory. Things we don't know include... Good summary, thanks. I don't guess anyone is very surprised that Microsoft isn't quick to offer up how it treats a single data stream.
        Matt_Cutts 16y ago
        "I thought it was the search results that Google accused Microsoft of stealing." I'm trying to use very precise/neutral language to avoid the "copying/cheating" brouhaha. The crux of the issue is that clicks on Google search results are used in Bing's search rankings.

by barista 16y ago

bad_user 16y ago

Bing is almost as good as Google It's easier to be a follower (or ahem, copy search results). Also if I'm going to switch away from Google it must be something truly better (like the difference I experienced when trying out Google after using Altavista). and have a better way to handle spam by avoiding it completely I like Blekko, but avoiding spam is an impossible dream. If there are search engines (or any filtering method, automatic or based on peer reviews) out there with less spam, that's because right now only Google matters. The only way to fight it is to be a moving target, which is what Google is doing. Unfortunately spammers are also very creative, so it's a tough battle.

barista 16y ago
Re: bing copying Google, it has already been profusely discussed all over the internet and has been shown as nothing more than a PR stunt by Google folks to avoid discussing spam Re: fighting spam, its a tough problem indeed but so was indexing the ever expanding web. Both Bing and Google seem to have solved the indexing problem fairly well by now. The issue with the the spam problem is not so much of how difficult it is to solve but the motivation. Clearly the spam generates a lot of cash for Google (and some for bing too) so they are less likely to be motivated to solve it. Smartest of the minds are at work at Google so I find it hard to believe that they cannot solve it (or even make a very good attempt at it). It's their intent to not solve it and that's the reason I think they are trying to avoid discussing it.
- WalterGR 16y ago
  Re: bing copying Google, it has already been profusely discussed all over the internet and has been shown as nothing more than a PR stunt by Google folks to avoid discussing spam I'm assuming the downvotes are because of that part. I keep seeing the argument that "Microsoft didn't answer all of Google's claims," but no supporting evidence. If anyone has some, I'd be curious to see it. (This is a legitimate request: I haven't been keeping score.)
  - Matt_Cutts 16y ago
    At the risk of beating a dead horse, I'll try to summarize. Google believed that queries and clicks on Google search results were being used in Bing's ranking, so we ran an experiment. The experiment confirmed that clicks on Google search results are used by Microsoft in Bing's search rankings. Things we don't know include: - the degree to which those clicks are used in Bing's rankings. - whether MSFT does Google-specific processing of the clickstream data they get, or whether clicks on Google are treated the same as some-random-website.com. - how long clicks on Google search results have been used in Bing's ranking (months, years, etc.). Those are open questions that Microsoft could best answer.
    - WalterGR 16y ago
      Thanks for the reply, Matt. Google believed that queries and clicks on Google search results were being used in Bing's ranking I thought it was the search results that Google accused Microsoft of stealing. I guess I need to go refresh my memory. Things we don't know include... Good summary, thanks. I don't guess anyone is very surprised that Microsoft isn't quick to offer up how it treats a single data stream.
      - Matt_Cutts 16y ago
        "I thought it was the search results that Google accused Microsoft of stealing." I'm trying to use very precise/neutral language to avoid the "copying/cheating" brouhaha. The crux of the issue is that clicks on Google search results are used in Bing's search rankings.