>tl;dr people lying that vaccines always work for individuals is bad in the same way as those lying that vaccines don't work. Fully agree with you, pbhjpbhj. T

>tl;dr people lying that vaccines always work for individuals is bad in the same way as those lying that vaccines don't work. Fully agree with you, pbhjpbhj. The nuance in the discussion is missing(no surprises). To add to the confusion we have both the govt and pharmas involved, and both entities are know for coverups. So who should a person trust? Yes a vaccine can potentially work very well, but it is only to the extent that it has been well designed and tested, no different from any other product or medicine.